Messaba CRJ

[DoinTime]

Like Workin'Stiff said, I believe that 9E will see a down sizing in MSP at some point. The reason is 3 fold.. 1. Lack of space 2. NWA Whipsaw (they know that a lot of MSP pilots live there) 3. 9E will see alot of the growth in IND and MKE for some time and that can be originated out of MEM and DTW fairly easily.

1. Space is a concern in MSP. The few CRJ's that Mesaba is getting though can be accommodated.

2. If NWA wanted to use this as a whipsaw they would push PCL out of MEM. Thats were most of our pilots live. Well over half the MSP pilot population commutes.

3. Most all of the flying out of MKE is done through MSP. A considerable amount of IND flying is done through MSP as well.

Its not likely that NW will put PCL into a position where they have to displace pilots out of MSP. We have some of the best contract displacement rules in the industry and it would cost PCL a fortune to enact such measures. Besides that it would be absolutely stupid for NW to concentrate Mesaba's presence in just one base. That defeats the entire purpose of having multiple carriers operating the same aircraft.

 

[LivinDaDream]

All valid points and I'm not starting a debate. Just my opinions. It looks as if XJ will get 35 CRJs, so the "few" comment may not apply. My guess is the first 15 in MSP and then the rest spread out.

As for the cost concerns, NWA is infamous for spending large amounts of money to pi$$ off labor with very little return on their investment. NWA will be footing the bill, not 9E. Any and all types of displacements are possible, including closing existing bases and opening new ones. It happened to us with the SAABs going to MEM during negotiations along with closing 2 domiciles and our displacement language is as solid as 9E. Not trying to pick apart your post, but don't put anything past NWA now that Sect. 6 has begun.

Always think worst case scenario with these guys cause NWA will go there to try and break you.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Absolutely, if NWA wants XJ's planes or in this case, 9E's planes somewhere, they'll get it. What big brother wants, big brother gets. Both of our companies are at Northwest's beckoning call. And this history between our company's shows that we'll do just about anything to stay "in favor" with Northwest.

 

[LivinDaDream]

Hopefully we can keep the pilots of both groups informed enough to realize that. Normally, we all start blaming eachother for our managements' decisions. The only power that we have is in our solidarity.

 

[RJComm]

See I got a call about a month ago from a HR person out there at "MESABA" and she told me that they are planning on putting me in the CRJ but I would have to wait till Aug to get a class date. From what I understand the Aug 340 class is all upgrades and no initial FOs. And I dont understand why this post is rubbing some people the wrong way, I am happy to just have a job but since I do have this little bit of information about the AC I think I will be assigned I figured I would try to obtain some information about it. I would ask the same questions if I thought I was going to get the 340 or avro but we all already know how the schedules work for those AC.

Man, Congrats for the job. are u going to canda for trainning or something like that?

 

[Crizz]

If anything, be GLAD you didnt get hired into the Avro. Virtually NO movement. CRJ may help things out a bit. If you're going to commute either way, then it probably doesnt matter much to you. Remember though, there are many FO's on the BAC commuting that would kill to sit reserve in MSP.

I dont know where you live, but in my opinion commuting is for the birds. Especially for a crappy reserve or build up, or even high speed line.

The people that would actually switch over to the CRJ are the ones that cant. The company locks you in equipment type for 3 years as a new hire, unless you can upgrade.

I'd gladly bid into the Saab or CRJ. The holier than thou Avro attitude is total BS, because flying the Avro comes at such an expense of QOL.

Good luck and welcome aboard. This really is a good place to be, especially right now. If you live in MSP, count your blessings you got hired in the Saab or CRJ.

 

[keith]

Qol ?

Crizz,

How can you say that QOL suffers in the Avro? Didn't you get a full 1.5 hours (at the hotel) on a highspeed last week???

-Keith

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Remember the pay is the same for all the types for F/O's and it's all multi turbine time. Last I checked noone gives you bonus points for flying a 4 engine plane any more than flying a plane with 2 flight attendants (or more). The only difference is personal QOL issues like base location and days off.

 

[Crizz]

Remember the pay is the same for all the types for F/O's and it's all multi turbine time. Last I checked noone gives you bonus points for flying a 4 engine plane any more than flying a plane with 2 flight attendants (or more). The only difference is personal QOL issues like base location and days off.

Bingo exactly!

 

[Rook]

Remember the pay is the same for all the types for F/O's and it's all multi turbine time. Last I checked noone gives you bonus points for flying a 4 engine plane any more than flying a plane with 2 flight attendants (or more). The only difference is personal QOL issues like base location and days off.

Spoken like a veteran already. The force is strong in this one.

 

[Yudso]

What happened to the CRJ CA openings on the revised vacancy? Are we falling further behind?

 

[xcr600]

From what I have been told some of the initial training will be completed at MSP and the AC specific stuff will be in Canada. Can any of you guys who have access to mymesaba see what is going on with class dates for this thing as far as FOs are concerned. I am starting to find other people who have been told the same thing as I have (waiting game) and we are all starting to wonder.

 

[Crizz]

As Yudso mentioned, they just removed the mention of the 4 initial captains on vacancy 5-10 revison this afternoon. I would expect to see an award and a new all inclusive vacancy late this week or early next week.

 

[RampTower]

Not to hijack the original topic (sorta related)

It might be too early, but anyone hear what cities we're flying to with the CRJ? New? overlapping? old -9 routes?

I noticed PHX in our bid packages the last two months. This was a rumor in the crewroom til I saw it. The nearest avro city is SLC? and PHX as an alternate is kinda out of the way.

 

[DoinTime]

I noticed PHX in our bid packages the last two months. This was a rumor in the crewroom til I saw it. The nearest avro city is SLC? and PHX as an alternate is kinda out of the way.

Considering PHX flights can sometimes goes weeks without an empty seat I doubt they would put a CRJ on it. We are doing MSP-TUS overnights and have PHX in the Jepps for an alternate. Can the avro make an 1100+ mile flight with reserves?