Mesaba Hiring Pilots with Less than 600 and 50 with Chief Pilots Approval

[ex j-41]

But eventually one will. And after the lawsuits and loss of business, how will management justify the decision? How can they even justify the risk now?

I'm very experienced, and was 100% single pilot in bad weather with a 300 hour wonder the other day. A new captain would have been in over his head.

Another short sighted band aid approach to an industry problem by airline management. What do they care... they won't have to live with the decision as they'll have moved on to trash some other company by then. We'll be the ones who have to live with it.

I agree. My sarcasm doesn't show in my post....All is not well.

Remember back in the 80's when General (GM) made school busses? They had a problem with the fuel tanks exploding if they were hit on the side. Well the GM exec's figured it would be cheaper to pay law suits then fix the problem. Last meeting in CLT someone asked Doug Parker what he thought about the safety issue regarding hiring low time pilots. He responded by putting Marten on the spot and then Marten said that no training dept would sign off a pilot unless they are safe.
Management will not be responsible for an accident. It will come down to the sudo management types...ie training dept. Pass the buck...Or the Captain will get violated. Either way management is far far far removed to be blamed for any accident.

 

[AC560]

If the low time pilots are a safety issue as is being implied then what should commercial certificate minimums be raised to? Should all crew members be required to have an ATP for 121/135 operations?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

UAL tried that in the '90s too... well, nevermind...

LOL. As long as you had Form 36-C filled out.

 

[gnx99]

The latest vacancy award is out. The junior Captain award (MEM) was hired in April 2007. Looks like Mesaba is gonna run out of people qualified for upgrade real fast.?

 

[SEVEN]

The latest vacancy award is out. The junior Captain award (MEM) was hired in April 2007. Looks like Mesaba is gonna run out of people qualified for upgrade real fast.?

Just wait until we get options on the 900. Those same pilots will be Captains on the jet in 1-2 years.

 

[CFIfornow]

Seat lock release in site.

 

[ex j-41]

If the low time pilots are a safety issue as is being implied then what should commercial certificate minimums be raised to? Should all crew members be required to have an ATP for 121/135 operations?

I am all for having an ATP in order to work for an airline. It would solve many problems. The problems it would create would be for Airline Management. They have had a free ride this past 6 years so maybe it's time for them to feel the pinch.

 

[Slick]

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[n25na]

The latest vacancy award is out. The junior Captain award (MEM) was hired in April 2007. Looks like Mesaba is gonna run out of people qualified for upgrade real fast.?

holy sh#t!! looks like i should have taken the recall after all.........

 

[John Pennekamp]

Should all crew members be required to have an ATP for 121/135 operations?

As a matter of fact, yes. Every new hire to a 121 airline should meet ATP minimums or have the ticket. This should be an FAR. ALPA is actually looking into it, according to Prater. Just like the AMA controls entry into their field, we should control entry into ours.

 

[CFIfornow]

If the low time pilots are a safety issue as is being implied then what should commercial certificate minimums be raised to? Should all crew members be required to have an ATP for 121/135 operations?

Absolutly, any operation that requires that one pilot has an ATP should require that both do (if a second pilot is required) You should have to meet ATP mins to be hired and the ATP should be part of your initial checkride

 

[YourPilotFriend]

As a matter of fact, yes. Every new hire to a 121 airline should meet ATP minimums or have the ticket. This should be an FAR. ALPA is actually looking into it, according to Prater. Just like the AMA controls entry into their field, we should control entry into ours.

Hundreds will have to die before that rule is made.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hundreds will have to die before that rule is made.

Agreed. But CRJs are now certified up to 90 seats and EMB-195s can hold 110. Only takes one wreck.

The FARs are written in blood.

 

[Dash27]

Upgrade at Mesaba is now less than 5 months!! Newest vacancy has a guy that was hired April 23 2007 as a MEM CA position, starts training on Oct 15!!!! WOW upgrade went from 7 years to 5 months!

 

[bluefishbeagle]

How low can you go?

Do you have to ask? Just count how many "will fly for food" T-shirst have been sold.

 

[PCL_128]

The latest vacancy award is out. The junior Captain award (MEM) was hired in April 2007. Looks like Mesaba is gonna run out of people qualified for upgrade real fast.?

Holy crap! I never thought I'd see that day. I remember jumpseating home on Mesaba and regularly talking to 8-year Saab FOs.

 

[captainv]

Should all crew members be required to have an ATP for 121/135 operations?

A good idea in theory, perhaps, but unrealistic in the current environment. Shoot, I've been at a regional for almost 5 years and I still don't have an ATP (waiting for that elusive upgrade), although I've been taking the equivalent of an ATP checkride since I got my Learjet type 7 years ago.

Double the current pay/bennys at the regionals and maybe you could require everyone have an ATP.

 

[norskman2]

I've been at a regional for almost 5 years and I still don't have an ATP (waiting for that elusive upgrade)

Eagle??? Horizon???

 

[Andrew_VT]

A good idea in theory, perhaps, but unrealistic in the current environment.

Double the current pay/bennys at the regionals and maybe you could require everyone have an ATP.

uhh, I think you got your thinking process a little backwards on that one.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Upgrades did NOT go from 7 years to 5 months overnight.

Major pilots (DAL, NWA, etc.) are telling people how long the upgrades are based on the same logic as above.

There was NO hiring for years at DAL, NWA and Mesaba.

For instance, I know a DAL guy who is saying it will be 12-20 years+ for captain upgrades.

Then, the latest DAL bid came out, and DAL guys said a 1999 guy would make captain. That's an 8 year wait for captain, right?

NO. DAL hired in 1999, 2000, 2001 and 2007. So, a 1999 guy has 3 years of seniority.

ALL the regionals are hiring very low time people, and the upgrades are coming fast and furious, because of the former and current pilot hiring situation.

The numbers of PAX are steadily expanding, and the numbers of new pilots are not.

We had guys at 3.5 years to upgrade, and now it's down to 5 months or less, same as everybody else.

cliff
YIP