Mesaba getting more CRJ-200's?

[CptMurf]

Please.....can we just avoid this junk! The juvenile sparring between the two groups is destructive for everyone. We are both being screwed by the same folks and some of you guys just can't help yourselves.

We must learn from our past, lest we are doomed to repeat it....

There is a lot of knowledge that some of the more senior guys can impart, just cause we have been around a while. I was a cocky junior FO in 1999 while I sat on that bus. I made some stupid statement at the time like, "There is no way Express is getting those CRJ200's up for bid. We (XJ) are getting the Avros, our training department is up to speed, we just got a new GO that looks like NASA and we are three times the size of Express." I was wrong, what I said on that bus was wrong, and soon after XJ went into a 5 year slump that took us into some depths no other regional has had to face.

We talk of brand scope and working together as if it is going to magically happen, it's not. It's going to take the other groups that are not deep in negotiations and pitted to lose everything, stepping up to the plate and working harder than ever. Problem is, if your group is the more stable and possibly growing, your pilot group tends to be more cocky. The thank goodness it's not me complex (...not my fight, I made it to the major...they've been growing for awhile, now it's their turn to feel the pain...)

XJ's been though a lot the last couple of years, to say we lowered the bar in anyway is untrue. We held it as high as we could under the circumstances, if we gambled right (time will tell) we lost nothing. We (XJ, along with NWA, Compass, and every other ALPA carrier) now need to be working harder than ever to help 9E in their negotiations (with no undermining agenda), and 9E needs to accept that help and understand that we've been there.

 

[CptMurf]

What happened to the Woerth/McClain/Wychor brand scope?

Let's see Woerth...voted out.
McClain...recalled.
Wychor...at National.

 

[saabtrash]

For the record, if I could take another 5% paycut and take all of Pinnacle's aircraft, I would. And then when I saw you guys in the hallway, I would grab my crotch and give you the bird.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

For the record, if I could take another 5% paycut and take all of Pinnacle's aircraft, I would. And then when I saw you guys in the hallway, I would grab my crotch and give you the bird.

And I would Laugh at you cause your a TOOLBAG.

 

[Freeze]

For the record, if I could take another 5% paycut and take all of Pinnacle's aircraft, I would. And then when I saw you guys in the hallway, I would grab my crotch and give you the bird.

I guess the MGMT strategy is working. They got you each fighting over the food scraps. As long as you hold your position, MGMT wins--Brand Cannibalism!

Enjoy--you may be next!

 

[CrownandCoke]

For the record, if I could take another 5% paycut and take all of Pinnacle's aircraft, I would. And then when I saw you guys in the hallway, I would grab my crotch and give you the bird.

if I find out where your mother is buried, I'll piss on her grave.

 

[Terry Hunter]

For the record, if I could take another 5% paycut and take all of Pinnacle's aircraft, I would. And then when I saw you guys in the hallway, I would grab my crotch and give you the bird.

I'm going to suggest that you are being facetious. But I'm also under the impression that you witnessed this particular incident directed at you or the Mesaba pilot group?

Eye for an eye doesn't usually work out too well, I think we learned that a couple of thousand years ago.

 

[Flyer1015]

Don't fall for flame that is so obvious...............

 

[Tank Commander]

For the record, if I could take another 5% paycut and take all of Pinnacle's aircraft, I would. And then when I saw you guys in the hallway, I would grab my crotch and give you the bird.

if I could take

you guys in the hallway,

I would grab my crotch.

I would.

And then

I would

take another

if I could

For the record

I think their is a hidden message.....
Walking those hallways has allways scared the hell out of me.

 

[profit]

In 2002, while attending the small carrier bargaining conference, I asked Tom Wychor about the 1995 Scope Committee report......He responded "I haven't read it".....As the then BSIC Committee Chairman don't ya think he should have read all of the scope committee reports that had already been filed.....

The RJDC lawsuit is finished.....what's the new excuse for not having brand scope? The fact is the mainline groups will never spend the capital it would take to get brand scope.....You and I both know that.....

Why were you asking him about a 7 year old report?

 

[PCL_128]

Why were you asking him about a 7 year old report?

Because Joey is stuck in the past. He can't look forward for real solution. All he can do is b!tch and moan about things that happened years or even decades ago.

 

[PCL_128]

The fact is the mainline groups will never spend the capital it would take to get brand scope.....You and I both know that.....

The fact is that mainline pilots shouldn't have to give up everything to help you get a shot at the majors. As Occam has told you numerous times, sacrifice would have to come from both sides. If the mainline pilots are going to spend negotiating capital on you, then you need to give up something for them in return. They aren't going to make countless sacrifices to help you out while you piss in their general direction.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Why were you asking him about a 7 year old report?

It goes to the credibility of ALPA and the history of how we got to this point.....

Wychor was appointed chairman of the BSIC and ALPA/Woerth tried to convince the sceptics that ALPA really was serious this time about scope reform....

I would think the chairman of this committee would at least read the prior reports put out by ALPA on the issue....Only makes sense unless you really aren't planning on accomplishing anything and are only using the committee as window dressing.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

Because Joey is stuck in the past. He can't look forward for real solution. All he can do is b!tch and moan about things that happened years or even decades ago.

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it."

 

[JoeMerchant]

The fact is that mainline pilots shouldn't have to give up everything to help you get a shot at the majors. As Occam has told you numerous times, sacrifice would have to come from both sides. If the mainline pilots are going to spend negotiating capital on you, then you need to give up something for them in return. They aren't going to make countless sacrifices to help you out while you piss in their general direction.

....I don't want "a shot at the majors"....I'm one of those regional lifers who is happy to be at the top of the list at a good company.....

....You cheerleaders can't even identify the problem....The problem is scope, not a "shot at the majors"....The current system drags everyone down as we compete with each other....In fact I would argue that the mainline lists and contracts have taken a bigger hit than those of us in the regional whipsaw.....

Downward pressure hurts everyone.....That is what this is about....The mainlines have to do the heavy lifting for two reasons.....

1. The union representing us says that this "brand scope" belongs to the mainline group....Under that logic only they can negotiate "brand scope"....How do you propose that ASA pilots negotiate Delta brand scope?

2. The mainlines have the leverage.....ASA or CMR can be replaced if they push too hard....as is being seen with CMR....

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

In 2002, while attending the small carrier bargaining conference, I asked Tom Wychor about the 1995 Scope Committee report......He responded "I haven't read it".....As the then BSIC Committee Chairman don't ya think he should have read all of the scope committee reports that had already been filed.....

The RJDC lawsuit is finished.....what's the new excuse for not having brand scope? The fact is the mainline groups will never spend the capital it would take to get brand scope.....You and I both know that.....

Soooooooooo.......what did this report say about regional jets?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Soooooooooo.......what did this report say about regional jets?

Starting on page 15 it deals with the issue of how the RJ changed the dynamics beginning in 1993.....

Here are the 95, 96, and 97 reports....
http://www.rjdefense.com/scprpts.pdf

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

In 2002, while attending the small carrier bargaining conference, I asked Tom Wychor about the 1995 Scope Committee report......He responded "I haven't read it".....As the then BSIC Committee Chairman don't ya think he should have read all of the scope committee reports that had already been filed...

Wychor probably told you that he hadn't read it so you wouldn't hump his leg.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Wychor probably told you that he hadn't read it so you wouldn't hump his leg.

....so your defense for his ignorance about his new job was that he was lying.....OK got it.....

 

[Flyer1015]

Go ahead, take more of our CRJs. We can't staff them anyway. Maybe then I'll have a month where I don't get extended..........................