Mesaba Airlines Crash

[Daresuzy]

A friend of mine from MSP sent this
to me, just happened the other day:

http://www.artbell.com/letters87.html


What happens to these pilots?
Fired?? Or not?
What do you think?

-Suze

 

[Brett Hull]

That's BS. It was two mechanics taxiing it after a maintenance run, not pilots. They forgot to do something and didn't have any brakes.

 

[sydeseet]

Agreed. An Avro flying friend of mine said the same about the mechanics losing the brakes. Can't recall if was their error or a mechanical though.

I love how bad rumors get started. "the pilots forgot to shut-down engine number 2....." Right, they shut down 1,3 & 4 and just skipped right over the number two start lever, didn't notice the lingering engine whine, didn't get the "your chocked and secure" signal from the ground crew, and skipped the entire parking and securing checklist. What are we here, CNN?????????

 

[GopherEvertt?]

Well consider the web site where these pictures were posted. Art Bell is an AM radio talk show host whose specialty is alien sightings and abductions. So when he claims it was the pilots that left an engine running and got up, I tend not to believe it. Besides, if these are legit photos, It looks like something more than a unchocked aircraft "rolling" into a jetway. Judging from the damage, it looks like the aircraft had pretty good momentum before impact.

 

[JJJ]

apparenty the mechanic lost the brakes while coming into the gate.... because he shut down the engines and tried coasting into the gate! I guess avro brakes don't quite work like cessna brakes.

This is what i've been hearing. So if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Later

 

[citdrver]

I have actually had to shut down an engine for some pilots that walked away from an ERJ. They packed up thier stuff and left, one of may mechanics came out to the sirplane and freaked when he saw that the #2 engine spinning away. So it can happen, I never reported it to the chief pilot, but I was seriously considering it. So never say never...pilots can do some dumb things..........just like mechanics can!!

Take care

 

[CRJ200FO]

apparenty the mechanic lost the brakes while coming into the gate.... because he shut down the engines and tried coasting into the gate! I guess avro brakes don't quite work like cessna brakes.

This is what i've been hearing. So if I'm wrong, please correct me.

Later

It was a mechanic taxiing the Avro. He shut down all the engines and tried to coast into the gate. Unfortunately, the Avro has engine driven hyd pumps. When he hit the brakes to stop at the gate, he had none. If he would have turned on the electric standby pumps he would have been fine, but I guess he didn't think about that. Apparently this guy's nickname was "hotdog." He's had many problems in the past.

 

[Lonestar]

Ouch.

 

[skyking1976]

BAe/Avro Hydraulics

What most likely happened was when the #2 & #3 engines were shut down there wasn't enough residual hydraulic pressure left in the system to adequately stop an 82,000 pound rolling aircraft. The mech's little stunt may have worked if he had been running the AC powered hydraulic pump (assuming the APU was operative) which provides pressure for normal ground braking (among other hydraulic components) on the Avro. There is also an emergency brakes mode on this aircraft which automatically switches on all available hydraulic pumps to assist in braking. Still, it is very sad to see such a fine looking aircraft wrecked due to a careless attitude.

Skyking

 

[Simon Says]

HAHAHAHAHA.....

This is amusing listening to the bablble on what happened. Once again, the word on the playground is filled with half truths. And that would be that Mechanics were at the helm.

For all of you Avro know it alls let me give you a hint.

At what speed does the Anti-Skid turn on, and at what speed does the anti-skid turn off?

Last but not least do any of you Avro wanna bees know of any circuit breakers to pull that would make the airplane think that it was Weight Off Wheels?

Think about it and let me know if you want the "real" version, or the Art Bell version.

A side note is that the only person injured was the Captain waiting for his aircraft standing in the jet bridge.

 

[skyking1976]

All the answers

Q: At what speed does the Anti-Skid turn on, and at what speed does the anti-skid turn off?

A: The anti-skid system is armed when the aircraft speed is above 33 knots. It will remain armed until speed drops below 15 knots. It is entirely possible that the anti-skid may have become armed due to high taxi speed.


Q: Last but not least do any of you Avro wanna bees know of any circuit breakers to pull that would make the airplane think that it was Weight Off Wheels?

A: C/B B1 on the overhead C/B panel. Squat switches can also be disabled by pressing the overhead squat switch ground test buttons.


Any more questions for the "wanna bees"?

 

[328dude]

CitiDriver:

Im sorry man, but I have to call B.S. on that story.

Give me a break.

 

[LearLove]

The crappy thing is that now Mesaba is down another A/C and an AVRO at that which most liklely won't be replaced. That thing is totaled. Did you see the wrinkles in the fuselage I don't think it can be fixed.

At Allegheny last spring our mechanics did the same thing while repoing a Dash from the gate to the MX hangar in MDT. They didn't turn on the standby pumps and ran off the ramp and thru a fence. A hole was punched on the left side of the cockpit. It took several weeks to repair.

We currently have an aircraft sitting in ALB that smacked a goose about 1.5 weeks ago that may be totaled it went in the wing all the way into the spar. So now were down a dash here and some more flying has been cx.

OWELL JUST ANOTHER MANAGEMENT EXCUSE TO PUT ANOTHER SCABSAAB ONLINE.

 

[crxpilot]

Interesting

I know others are saying it cant happen but at my airline one crew did manage to leave an engine running and get all the way to the hotel before they got a call from the airport asking them to come back to shut it down..........

 

[crosscut]

That's BS. It was two mechanics taxiing it after a maintenance run, not pilots. They forgot to do something and didn't have any brakes.

Here is an artbell version of another "they [mechs] forgot to do something" airplane & terminal encounter: http://www.artbell.com/letters07.html
I think this one also was blamed on the pilots. At least, initially.

 

[EagleRJ]

I don't know about the Avro, but on the ERJ, it's not as hard to leave an engine running as you might expect. If you turn the start/stop selector to "stop", the engine will keep running if the thrust lever is even a little off the idle stop. The checklist now reminds pilots to check the engine gauges to make sure the engine shut down. That's probably true of most FADEC controlled engines.

 

[Huck]

Any ASA folks remember the "Gadsden chain-link massacre?"

Also, the Continental MD-80 in Newark - the radome ended up just behind the gate counter.

 

[citdrver]

Thank You eagle RJ!

Your post brought it back to me.........the power lever wasnt in idle and just slightly above idle in the story I related earlier.

Thanks for the reminder!