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uzi: Mesa)turbodriver
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Cows Go Moo
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Spinplate
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Ok! This is pathetic! We all know its hard to even get to a 121 job and its also very frickin expensive!! We are all poor pilots just trying to make it AND have a job. If it makes you a better person/pilot knowing that you dont work at Mesa than great, but why do you have to put people down? Does it make you feel better knowing that more people will jump on the bandwagon and talk crap too? Too much politics and a lot less comradity these days. Sounds like high school drama. Just STFU!
CitationLover
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no one has commented on the Air Midwest (Mesa's 1900 op) side so here goes:
if you get hired at Mesa and have class in ICT then look out.
a) screw trackers constantly f-ing with you.
b) the chief pilot is a 70yr old geriatric who is mean that his freedom stew wife bones younger boys
c) the joy of saying, "i'm based in clarksburg, west virginia" (you can also insert any domicile other than PIT/MCI <--- reserve bases so only 8 days off a month)
d) flying an airplane with 8 things mel'd and having 80,000+ cycles on it
e) every other month a base closes down and some other crappy one opens up
f) having a union that ignores the 1900 op, hell they ignore the non-PHX jet bases too
the ONLY good thing about Mesa (both Mesa and AMW) is the people you fly with.
if you get hired at Mesa and have class in ICT then look out.
a) screw trackers constantly f-ing with you.
b) the chief pilot is a 70yr old geriatric who is mean that his freedom stew wife bones younger boys
c) the joy of saying, "i'm based in clarksburg, west virginia" (you can also insert any domicile other than PIT/MCI <--- reserve bases so only 8 days off a month)
d) flying an airplane with 8 things mel'd and having 80,000+ cycles on it
e) every other month a base closes down and some other crappy one opens up
f) having a union that ignores the 1900 op, hell they ignore the non-PHX jet bases too
the ONLY good thing about Mesa (both Mesa and AMW) is the people you fly with.
Earl Williams
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The bottom line (coming from a Mesa pilot) of this thread:
Do yourselves a favor (and trust me, this will be the best advice you'll ever get)...DON'T come to Mesa. Here are just a few examples why, and some comparisons between Mesa and other carriers (i.e. defined as "ELSEWHERE")
MESA:
- You don't get paid SQUAT for cancellations. Spare me the 97% controllable completion BS. They'll do whatever they can to ensure that you won't be paid. On average, I miss 8-10 hours of pay every month due to this. It's criminal.
ELSEWHERE:
You DO get paid for cancellations.
MESA:
No block-or-better. It's so nice to sit for an hour waiting for T/O and not get paid a cent for it. And time in the penalty box in ORD, or getting de-iced? NADA! You get paid for the time it "historically" takes to go from here to there. Absolutely ludicrous. I probably lose 5-8 hours to this every month.
ELSEWHERE:
You DO get block-or-better (or something equivalent)
MESA:
1/2 pay on deadheads. What crap!
ELSEWHERE:
Majority pay full credit for deadheads.
MESA:
No work rules/duty rigs. Lets hypothetically say that you've got a credit block of 7.3 hours that day...maybe 5 legs. The first leg is cancelled due to WX (so you get nothing). The second leg is obviously cancelled (again, you get nothing). The third leg requires a repo flight from CLT to ROW. It takes you 4.3 hours to get there, but since there's no "historical time" from CLT-ROW, crew tracking just randomly choses to pay you 2.7 hours for the flight. The remainder of your 5 legs have been dropped, but you get to deadhead from ROW to PHX, and then back to CLT. I'm not sure what the time is to fly ROW-PHX-CLT, but let's say it's around 5 hours. Of that 5 hours, you get 2.5. By the time it's said and done, you're at 17:13 duty day when you get back to CLT, and got paid a fraction of your time.
ELSEWHERE:
You get paid what you should. You're paid protected for your credit time. If your line was credited at 91 hours that month, you get AT LEAST that. At Mesa, if your line is worth 91 hours, count on minimum monthly guarantee...70 hours.
MESA:
ZERO ability for line improvements. The company does everything in its power to ensure that trips are not commutable. Typical report times are 0615...typical release times are 2106. You can try to trade/drop trips for commutability, but it's in vein. Crew scheduling hates you for being a pilot, and will do NOTHING to accomodate you.
ELSEWHERE:
Full ability to drop/trade trips and make adjustments to your line. Potential for making a non-commutable line a FULLY commutable line. Crew scheduling realizes you are a human being, and treats you like one.
MESA:
You're working for a CEO that's a convicted criminal. He has brainwashed all other departments in the company (scheduling, payroll, etc) that you are a whining pilot that's overpaid for his/her job. He will do everything in his power to ensure that you're stripped of every right you deserve, and hopes that your tenure with the company is short-lived.
ELSEWHERE:
Management isn't JO, nor are convicted criminals. Enough said.
MESA:
You'll be on reserve. That reserve will automatically turn into ready reserve. You'll be at the airport for 8-12 hours...sitting, and sitting, and sitting. Crew scheduling will beat you like a baby seal. Your life will be miserable.
ELSEWHERE:
Ready reserve doesn't exist. Even if you're on reserve in domicile, and are a commuter sitting in a crashpad, you're on call...able to lead a normal life.
I could go on and on with regards to the differences between Mesa and other carriers. However, it makes me depressed to do so. I came here naive to just how bad it is, and am paying the punishment for my actions. Hopefully this will serve as an reason for anyone considering Mesa to not do so.
...and now I'm going to play in traffic
Do yourselves a favor (and trust me, this will be the best advice you'll ever get)...DON'T come to Mesa. Here are just a few examples why, and some comparisons between Mesa and other carriers (i.e. defined as "ELSEWHERE")
MESA:
- You don't get paid SQUAT for cancellations. Spare me the 97% controllable completion BS. They'll do whatever they can to ensure that you won't be paid. On average, I miss 8-10 hours of pay every month due to this. It's criminal.
ELSEWHERE:
You DO get paid for cancellations.
MESA:
No block-or-better. It's so nice to sit for an hour waiting for T/O and not get paid a cent for it. And time in the penalty box in ORD, or getting de-iced? NADA! You get paid for the time it "historically" takes to go from here to there. Absolutely ludicrous. I probably lose 5-8 hours to this every month.
ELSEWHERE:
You DO get block-or-better (or something equivalent)
MESA:
1/2 pay on deadheads. What crap!
ELSEWHERE:
Majority pay full credit for deadheads.
MESA:
No work rules/duty rigs. Lets hypothetically say that you've got a credit block of 7.3 hours that day...maybe 5 legs. The first leg is cancelled due to WX (so you get nothing). The second leg is obviously cancelled (again, you get nothing). The third leg requires a repo flight from CLT to ROW. It takes you 4.3 hours to get there, but since there's no "historical time" from CLT-ROW, crew tracking just randomly choses to pay you 2.7 hours for the flight. The remainder of your 5 legs have been dropped, but you get to deadhead from ROW to PHX, and then back to CLT. I'm not sure what the time is to fly ROW-PHX-CLT, but let's say it's around 5 hours. Of that 5 hours, you get 2.5. By the time it's said and done, you're at 17:13 duty day when you get back to CLT, and got paid a fraction of your time.
ELSEWHERE:
You get paid what you should. You're paid protected for your credit time. If your line was credited at 91 hours that month, you get AT LEAST that. At Mesa, if your line is worth 91 hours, count on minimum monthly guarantee...70 hours.
MESA:
ZERO ability for line improvements. The company does everything in its power to ensure that trips are not commutable. Typical report times are 0615...typical release times are 2106. You can try to trade/drop trips for commutability, but it's in vein. Crew scheduling hates you for being a pilot, and will do NOTHING to accomodate you.
ELSEWHERE:
Full ability to drop/trade trips and make adjustments to your line. Potential for making a non-commutable line a FULLY commutable line. Crew scheduling realizes you are a human being, and treats you like one.
MESA:
You're working for a CEO that's a convicted criminal. He has brainwashed all other departments in the company (scheduling, payroll, etc) that you are a whining pilot that's overpaid for his/her job. He will do everything in his power to ensure that you're stripped of every right you deserve, and hopes that your tenure with the company is short-lived.
ELSEWHERE:
Management isn't JO, nor are convicted criminals. Enough said.
MESA:
You'll be on reserve. That reserve will automatically turn into ready reserve. You'll be at the airport for 8-12 hours...sitting, and sitting, and sitting. Crew scheduling will beat you like a baby seal. Your life will be miserable.
ELSEWHERE:
Ready reserve doesn't exist. Even if you're on reserve in domicile, and are a commuter sitting in a crashpad, you're on call...able to lead a normal life.
I could go on and on with regards to the differences between Mesa and other carriers. However, it makes me depressed to do so. I came here naive to just how bad it is, and am paying the punishment for my actions. Hopefully this will serve as an reason for anyone considering Mesa to not do so.
...and now I'm going to play in traffic
islandhopper
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YAYO said:
Everybody will hate you because the Mesa CEO is a socipathic liar a cheat and a crook. But as he takes over small airlines like the spread of influenza you should have job security until they finally toss his hide in the slammer.
I dont think they could ever replace him. He is truly one of a kind.
N4niner206
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An honest opinion
More honest insight... you can't trust every opionion you read on these boards. Half the people posting about it have never worked at Mesa, so what do they know? They know what they THINK and WANT to know, but nothing more.
Plain and simple... sure you will probably work hard, but its all about attitude. I work hard but love my job. For the record, I've never had any problems with crew tracking... not to say that it does not happen, but thats just my personal experience. Also, I am not a MAPD'er... I did the CFI thing and 135 gig also. Just my humble experience. Remember... the majority of a$$holes come on these boards for two reasons... 1) to boast, 2) to bitch. Also, you'll notice that immaturity and resentment run deep in this industry... just remember elementary school when all of the insecure little brats ganged up on one kid to pick on because they didn't want anyone to notice their own flaws. That's exactly what happens in this business, as well. If you don't mind being the whipping boy, you can be rewarded with some good times, relatively quick upgrades, decent job security and fast seniority. The choice is yours, and nobody elses... no matter how much some would want you to beleive that they know what is best for you.
More honest insight... you can't trust every opionion you read on these boards. Half the people posting about it have never worked at Mesa, so what do they know? They know what they THINK and WANT to know, but nothing more.
Plain and simple... sure you will probably work hard, but its all about attitude. I work hard but love my job. For the record, I've never had any problems with crew tracking... not to say that it does not happen, but thats just my personal experience. Also, I am not a MAPD'er... I did the CFI thing and 135 gig also. Just my humble experience. Remember... the majority of a$$holes come on these boards for two reasons... 1) to boast, 2) to bitch. Also, you'll notice that immaturity and resentment run deep in this industry... just remember elementary school when all of the insecure little brats ganged up on one kid to pick on because they didn't want anyone to notice their own flaws. That's exactly what happens in this business, as well. If you don't mind being the whipping boy, you can be rewarded with some good times, relatively quick upgrades, decent job security and fast seniority. The choice is yours, and nobody elses... no matter how much some would want you to beleive that they know what is best for you.
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