Mesa to furlough 250

[dowhite2]

Of course not a word from ALPA all day about this. I love it! BTW I'm sure PBS contributed to not the majority, but at least a good portion of these furloughs. Thanks to the 418... we warned ya. We warned you over and over again!

 

[DoinTime]

More furloughs coming and now this little gem from my negotiating committee chairman.

Now this kid wants us to play nice with the company like nothing is going on. Well I guess we will get along great with management as long as we give them everything they want.


I would like to beg your indulgence and offer a personal note of reflection. Blah blah blah blah...
Sincerely,

This is coming from the same Negotiating Chairman that folded in your last negotiations before the cards were even dealt?

Mesa pilots have got to get the management trolls out of Union positions if they ever want to have even a shred of honor in this business.

 

[CX880]

Of course not a word from ALPA all day about this. I love it! BTW I'm sure PBS contributed to not the majority, but at least a good portion of these furloughs. Thanks to the 418... we warned ya. We warned you over and over again!

Who cares.

Signed, the 418 and the 20%.

 

[pdub20s]

Of course not a word from ALPA all day about this. I love it! BTW I'm sure PBS contributed to not the majority, but at least a good portion of these furloughs. Thanks to the 418... we warned ya. We warned you over and over again!

Would you rather go back to 11 days off with only 70hrs of credit for every line? All these furloughs are soley because of mgt's inability to run an airline properly. Not because of PBS, the 400,418, or who/whatever.


The blame is on mgt. not your fellow pilot

Mesa pilots have got to get the management trolls out of Union positions if they ever want to have even a shred of honor in this business.

I agree...I think some of the guys up top rather be nice with management and hope that they operate out of good faith. To bad this pilot group is not unified enough to care about changing that attitude. A lot of our pilots rather bitch and complain to the union rather than act upon their feelings.

 

[Dubya]

Everyone that is being furloughed is either a 200 wonder from the streets, a 200 wonder from the MAPD, or an idiot who couldn't get hired anywhere else during the last hiring wave. There goes that quick PIC!!! Now word is that JO is going to send more CRJs to GO!! More furloughs coming along with a nice BK. Good news for the industry.

....said the 350 wonder Gojet ho.

 

[dowhite2]

Would you rather go back to 11 days off with only 70hrs of credit for every line? All these furloughs are soley because of mgt's inability to run an airline properly. Not because of PBS, the 400,418, or who/whatever.




Um that's what alot of us are getting right now. PBS reduces staffing requirements. Period, end of story. That is what we knew and were told before you pdub were ever hired. So you are saying that no staffing efficiencies resulted from PBS? Just a lot higher line value for you right? These furloughes were not due to mgt's inability to run an airline, I'd say it was half the reduction in flying hours that most regional carriers are facing right now and half the efficiencies of PBS.

 

[dowhite2]

Who cares.

Signed, the 418 and the 20%.

Exactly you don't. That's nice when 250 more of your fellow pilots are on the street. Nope you could care less unless it effects you.

 

[pdub20s]

Would you rather go back to 11 days off with only 70hrs of credit for every line? All these furloughs are soley because of mgt's inability to run an airline properly. Not because of PBS, the 400,418, or who/whatever.




Um that's what alot of us are getting right now. PBS reduces staffing requirements. Period, end of story. That is what we knew and were told before you pdub were ever hired. So you are saying that no staffing efficiencies resulted from PBS? Just a lot higher line value for you right? These furloughes were not due to mgt's inability to run an airline, I'd say it was half the reduction in flying hours that most regional carriers are facing right now and half the efficiencies of PBS.

my lines are still sitting at 70-75 hrs a month. The only change is that im gettin 14-15 days off now.

What Mesa mgt. considers overstaffed is what any other airline would consider properly staffed. Now that I think about it, IF we do end up furloughing 250 pilots...We would have the most pilots out on the street than any other regional. Percentage wise and numbers wise. And we are supposed to be "low cost carrier" that operates as thin as possible.

 

[dowhite2]

my lines are still sitting at 70-75 hrs a month. The only change is that im gettin 14-15 days off now.

What Mesa mgt. considers overstaffed is what any other airline would consider properly staffed. Now that I think about it, IF we do end up furloughing 250 pilots...We would have the most pilots out on the street than any other regional. Percentage wise and numbers wise. And we are supposed to be "low cost carrier" that operates as thin as possible.

Yes Pdub, that is now, tell me what you'll have after this trimming of the fat takes place... Right now we are at pre pbs staffing. Life is pretty good for most now. But I'd be willing to take 75 hr paychecks and 11 days off to ensure our pilots stay off the street, obviously you wouldn't.

 

[pdub20s]

Yes Pdub, that is now, tell me what you'll have after this trimming of the fat takes place... Right now we are at pre pbs staffing. Life is pretty good for most now. But I'd be willing to take 75 hr paychecks and 11 days off to ensure our pilots stay off the street, obviously you wouldn't.

I wouldnt like to see any pilot on the street. My stance is that saying PBS is the cause of these furloughs is just incorrect. Something that is as fluid as PBS is not something the company is basing their staffing on. All it takes is a pissed off pilot group and a PBS vote for PBS to be out the door. Like is said before...I highlty doubt that we would furlough the full 250. A lot can change in 6 months.

 

[olympus593]

Mesa sucks!!!

 

[dowhite2]

Something that is as fluid as PBS is not something the company is basing their staffing on.

Yes they can and they are.

 

[khsgt]

From a LAMA, good luck boys and girls. Its a tough environment out there, especially for low time guys with nothing more then RJ FO time....

Mesa Sucks, but 250 guys out on the street sucks even more...

 

[DOVPILOT]

welcome to the club, pukes

 

[ratherbeflyen]

I have spoken to some pilots who are so engrained in the old mentality that they didn’t want to grant them the relief even if they agreed to publish the reserve buffers. They wanted us to grieve it anyway: apparently gaining only bragging rights that we won a grievance that has no damages associated with it. Their argument was it would be better than mutually agreeing to something that will directly benefit our pilots. Now I certainly don’t want to disparage the grievance process because it has it uses and is very important. We cannot and will not always agree to everything. However when given the choice, I will always choose an amicable resolution which yields immediate positive results over conflict which yields only collateral damage.
Sincerely,

Sounds like something management would put out.

 

[aussieflyboy]

On a side note, are you poor bastards still carrying plywood boards with you on your trips so you can turn row six into your very own business-class-style lie flat bed??
I wanted to bash my head through a plate glass window when I heard about that!!

 

[labbats]

On a side note, are you poor bastards still carrying plywood boards with you on your trips so you can turn row six into your very own business-class-style lie flat bed??
I wanted to bash my head through a plate glass window when I heard about that!!

No ALPA found out about it and put forth a huge display of unity to shut it down. It was incredible.

Psych!

It stopped because someone leaked it to the news and the public outcry forced it to change.

 

[Metro752]

Hahahahahaha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ppnm5-7rbk&fmt=22

 

[sniper]

More furloughs coming and now this little gem from my negotiating committee chairman.

Now this kid wants us to play nice with the company like nothing is going on. Well I guess we will get along great with management as long as we give them everything they want.


I would like to beg your indulgence and offer a personal note of reflection. Throughout my years here at Mesa, I have witnessed two distinct methodologies when dealing with Mesa’s management team. It seemed that for years we were locked into an “us versus them” mentality. This chest thumping mentality on both sides leads to countless disputes which neither side wanted to lose. This mentality has led to some collateral damage. That damage was our line pilot’s morale and rights which ultimately led to our operational difficulties that have cost both sides dearly. In other words, no one won. Under the old Mesa regime, we didn’t have much of a choice because they were all too happy to relegate any dispute to the annals of the grievance process where it would linger for years only to fester and grow. In the past 6 months I have witnessed a genuine change in our senior management. With all things, change comes slow and takes a while to trickle down. Change on both sides is all too often hindered by past habits. There are still too many instances where we see the remnants of the old guard mentality rear its ugly head. While I can’t guarantee that the efforts of our new management team to transform our company will be successful, I feel we have the obligation of meeting them half way. Because those old habits rear its ugly head on our side of the fence as well. Take the issue of calendar month. The old Mesa guard would have simply told us to grieve it and we all know what that would have gotten us: a big fat goose egg. I have spoken to some pilots who are so engrained in the old mentality that they didn’t want to grant them the relief even if they agreed to publish the reserve buffers. They wanted us to grieve it anyway: apparently gaining only bragging rights that we won a grievance that has no damages associated with it. Their argument was it would be better than mutually agreeing to something that will directly benefit our pilots. Now I certainly don’t want to disparage the grievance process because it has it uses and is very important. We cannot and will not always agree to everything. However when given the choice, I will always choose an amicable resolution which yields immediate positive results over conflict which yields only collateral damage.
Sincerely,

Your NC Chair
Is this the Greek Captain you have.

 

[mesaserf]

Your NC Chair
Is this the Greek Captain you have.

No, after years of shooting off his mouth about how we were going to get an "Industry leading contract" at Mesa our Greek hero quit as a captain rep. He saw what was going to happen with the contract and he was afraid he would lose face.
So far I have not been impressed with my leadership to say the least.