Mesa to file bankruptcy

[GOULET!]

Ornstein is such a tool and needs the boot out....but this is probably a very smart move now. Bankruptcy will let them shed the ERJ contracts and temporarily fix their pilot shortage problems, all while pilot contract negotiaitions are going on. Mesa still has 900 flying at Delta and USAirways along with all the flying at United ( none of this flying opens Mesa to fuel costs, it is paid by their codeshare). I am also hearing that they have made a deal with Bombardier for a 3 to 1 deal for swapping old CRJ 200's for 900's that are in demand. This just allows Mesa to have an all CRJ fleet cutting costs by not having to keep parts,maintain and train for multiple types of aircraft.

Unfortunately your right. BK is going to make these scumbags a leaner, bottom of the barrel feeder machine.

 

[samballs]

Ornstein is such a tool and needs the boot out....but this is probably a very smart move now. Bankruptcy will let them shed the ERJ contracts and temporarily fix their pilot shortage problems, all while pilot contract negotiaitions are going on. Mesa still has 900 flying at Delta and USAirways along with all the flying at United ( none of this flying opens Mesa to fuel costs, it is paid by their codeshare). I am also hearing that they have made a deal with Bombardier for a 3 to 1 deal for swapping old CRJ 200's for 900's that are in demand. This just allows Mesa to have an all CRJ fleet cutting costs by not having to keep parts,maintain and train for multiple types of aircraft.

To make anything of CH 11 you need cash, if you don't have cash you need investors. Mesa probably will have neither. The majors will not offer money to them, they hate Mesa and don't need them, it will help reduce capacity. At OH we have began to hire more again to cover the flying lost by Mesa, more will be out on the 18th. A lot of the routes are done but the ones that will stay will be back at other carriers. Funny because of Mesa's terrible contract they got all of that flying from OH, now that terrible contract cannot keep that flying or the company.

 

[Soverytired]

Union leadership confirm the opposite

Uh, yeah. Do you really think that Mesa's CEO is going to share that kind of information with the union? Because of their incredibly tight relationship?

Not only would the union not know dick about a BK, very, VERY few outside the proverbial "inner circle" would know until the actual filing.

Ask anyone who's ever worked at at BK airline . . . it always comes as a shock to the working stiff.

 

[MusicMan]

To make anything of CH 11 you need cash, if you don't have cash you need investors. Mesa probably will have neither. The majors will not offer money to them, they hate Mesa and don't need them, it will help reduce capacity. At OH we have began to hire more again to cover the flying lost by Mesa, more will be out on the 18th. A lot of the routes are done but the ones that will stay will be back at other carriers. Funny because of Mesa's terrible contract they got all of that flying from OH, now that terrible contract cannot keep that flying or the company.

You also need pilots. They can't keep their current group of pilots when all the other regionals are hiring. Without pilots, the whole game is over.

 

[time builder]

You also need pilots. They can't keep their current group of pilots when all the other regionals are hiring. Without pilots, the whole game is over.

Exactly, and what has made other airlines "leaner" was that they had employess who stuck around despite their pay cuts and/or pensions being taken. Mesa is far from comparable. Their problem is that they can't staff their flights in the first place.

 

[samballs]

I think Jo is thinking the samething and is trying to do something that won't work, and when it doesn't here comes CH. 7.. What that something is beats me.

 

[Papps]

Unfortunately your right. BK is going to make these scumbags a leaner, bottom of the barrel feeder machine.

Fortunately ch. 11 isn't the cash cow that it used to be. Although I'm sure it can still be abused like crazy.

 

[No.W.]

I don't think a BK at Mesa guarantees their destruction.

I agree that they will be leaner and meaner than before...BUT until they get rid of JO...they will still be mismanaged. Even if they are leaner and meaner. Of course, a smart B.O.D. would fire JO at the soonest possible time...then they just might be unstoppable after BK.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

If you're out of cash and can't raise any your outside vendors cut you off. If you can't get parts DMI's start to expire and planes go AOG and don't move. Chapter 11 may help with the $37.8 million but not your opperating expenses, if you can't pay those you can' continue to operate. I think the final implosion will happen very quickly and sooner than you might think. My bet is they won't make it until June, file ch. 11 to forestall the June 16 payment then nothing but smoke and rubble within a week. Noone is going to accept MESA stock in lieu of cash, that is J.O.'s pipe dream.

 

[DOVPILOT]

Good, hopefully Chapter 7 next and that right soon.

Trojan

Yes this is my daily prayer, and Mesa still sucks

 

[No.W.]

If you're out of cash and can't raise any your outside vendors cut you off. If you can't get parts DMI's start to expire and planes go AOG and don't move. Chapter 11 may help with the $37.8 million but not your opperating expenses, if you can't pay those you can' continue to operate. I think the final implosion will happen very quickly and sooner than you might think. My bet is they won't make it until June, file ch. 11 to forestall the June 16 payment then nothing but smoke and rubble within a week. Noone is going to accept MESA stock in lieu of cash, that is J.O.'s pipe dream.

Those are awfully good points.

 

[WAZUP]

From an inside source (HNL chief pilot). Mesa to file bankruptcy very soon. Discuss.

VERY NICE!!!!

 

[spitfire1500]

Mesa's vendors wont cut them off. This fuel thing is going to turn into another 9-11 and vendors will be begging for any business they can get wherever they can get it. After 9-11 Mesa got some of those ERJ's for a song.

 

[rickair7777]

My guess: BK and suspend the leases in the ERJ 145s. Continue ops everywhere else.

That's not all he's going to suspend...

20% across-the-board pay cut, and the "final solution" for the few remaining workrules.

You will HAVE to answer the phone on your day off.

Schedules will be assigned on a day-by-day basis...you find out what you're doing tomorrow at 1800 today.

Days off will be FAR days off...24 hours in an hotel in DTW, then back for 6 more days.

If your trip finishes out-of-domicile, no space-positive home

etc, etc.

 

[eaglefly]

Mesa's vendors wont cut them off. This fuel thing is going to turn into another 9-11 and vendors will be begging for any business they can get wherever they can get it. After 9-11 Mesa got some of those ERJ's for a song.

They may have got them for a song after 9/11, but now they couldn't dump them for a mousefart.

The DAL/NWA merger will leave some dance partners available for UAL and U to replace Mesa.

J.O.'s screaming down the street in one of his motorcycles with bad barakes and is heading for a tree.

I LOVE it !

 

[Skippy]

lsu is number one usc is number 2 georigia number 3


notre lame is like 103

 

[Soverytired]

Speaking of cuts after 9/11, when I was there the rumor was that the braintrust approached ALPA and asked that crews be consolidated to a single room for overnights.

They said no (thank god). However, in BK, this simple contract provision may go by the wayside. Ugh!

I can see it now:

TV remote will be assigned by seniority order . . .

 

[flap operator]

Ask any Mesaba or Comair employees how long it took to get the concessions implemented. The company cannot unilaterally throw the contract out the window RIGHT AWAY. If the company wants concessions they have to negotiate them with the unions. If that doesn't work, like in the cases of Comair and Mesaba, they file an 1113.c case and take it to court. It was a long, tiring and drama filled process to get the concessions from labor. And even then, they spent more money litigating than they saved in our give backs. Unfortunately the law will actually require the unions to talk about concessions to the devil, I mean JO. It's not like things change overnight, but I don't think Mesa has near the staying power in Ch11 than Mesaba or Comair.

 

[USCtrojan]

Why yes it is, Go Irish

Such a nice picture, such a terrible choice in team.....your choice ;-). Good luck in 2008!

Trojan

 

[jim718181]

Anyone think that if Mesa goes away Aloha will start up passenger ops agian?