MESA TA Question

[dakotaHC8]

Jetscream,

Yeah, Im on the outside looking in, but to me that means objectivity, not ignorance. Plain and simple, this contract is only about being the cheapest. JO was going to get someone to fly for nothing so it might as well be you, right...?

You guys didnt move anything forward, you just traded a few things around. One step forward in one area and two back in another. Not even the average for pay or work rules, but well below it. I still call that cut rate, what would you prefer? Discount, Budget, Economy Class...?

Just call it what it is, and admit that your pilot group is about to do what it is about to do. Stop trying to make yourself feel better by waving the union flag or promising to "fight the good fight" in 7 years, none of that regains any respect for your pilot group.

Im not trying to attack you guys, but Im not going to let you off the hook either. I just had to sound off when someone felt the need to try and paint this as some grand sacrifice for the survival of your company, puh-lease. Your company needs this new contract TO GROW, NOT TO SURVIVE. Your company AND pilot group need this new contract to undercut rivals and gain new flying opportunities, not to become profitable, right...?

But being as this new contract will either hold the rest of the industry back or place you in a position to "harvest" new flying opportunities from nearly every other pilot group in the nation... Don't be surprised when people are less than impressed when they find out who you work/worked for.

If this TA is all you guys are worth, then you are getting exactly what you deserve for voting yes.

Cant argue with that, Right...?

 

[79%N1]

Once again, Great Post Dakota!! Right on the mark! Mesa continues to hold down the rest of the industry.....and will continue to undercut other affiliates to further their aganda.

 

[captjim]

Must read!!!

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15315

 

[kenai227]

Mesa Vote

When is the mesa vote going to happen?

 

[big dog1]

WileE

How many firm orders do we have for new jets, the reason i ask is ,on another board Jo said upgrade for all current Mesa pilots would be 3 years, the mec said 1-2 at the most , JO said if we could even get finance I thouhgt we were going to have massive growth?

 

[WileE]

Remember the source.

According to the union JO has been quietly financing new jets since last OCT when he signed on for J4J with U. Right now he has 59 jets financed and options on a lot more. The reason he has been keeping the acquisitions quiet is that he would probably find it hard to plead poverty in all his negotiations if out his other face he was spouting off about all the planes he was buying.

 

[big dog1]

This may be of the piont , but the union and DW are a joke!!! they told the San Juaner's (MAPD) to stand strong and not to go to Freedum But under the new TA all the scum bags that went with 300 hours screwed everyone that listen DW. Its all a big joke nothing will happen to any of the Freedum scum they will get to stay on the 700's will other people on the 1900's will stuck untill they can hold jet capt

 

[AviatorTx]

Just say NO!

Vote the P.O.S. down!!!

 

[jetflyer]

VOTE NO!!

 

[Uncle Don]

Let me tell you MESA pilots a story...

Once upon a time, (1997) there were several airlines their names were Simmons, Flagship, Executive, and Wings West, none of which had jets. Four seperate companies that wanted job stability and security, and wanted to fly new planes.

But, there was a big bad witch that lived in East Texas....her name was AMR. AMR wanted to make lots of money, but she needed the help of the pilots at these airlines. So the witch said, "I will make you a one list airline, and make you guys the only feed to my empire, all you need to do is sign this 'great' new contract and you can have ONE AIRLINE, fly NEW SHINEY JETS and even a FLOWTHROUGH. The airlines that sign this contract will grow and get new jets the ones that don't will never grow and fade away."

Now, all the greedy pilots decided that "THEIR FUTURE DEPENDS ON SIGNING THIS CONTRACT." So, after some debate they knew that signing this contract would be for the "better". After all, the FOUR airlines would have:

1)ONE LIST 2)ONE FEED 3)New jets and 4)a FLOWTHROUGH

Well to make a very long story short.... The witch stabed the pilots in their back 2 years after signing the contract and even with SCOPE, started to outsource their work and tear the airline apart.

Now, as of today there are:

1)4 lists 2) 5 feeds 3)Jets being transfered to other airlines and 4) maybe 150 guys tops that flowed through.

No one lived happy everafter, except for the witch, because she now has the abitily AGAIN to outsource cheap labor.

MESA PILOTS..........PLEASE VOTE DOWN YOUR TA........DON"T SELL OUT!!!

>>>MORE IMPORTANTLY DON'T SELL YOURSELVES SHORT<<<<

YOU CAN DO BETTER....SCOPE IS NEVER WATER TIGHT OR MANAGMENT WOULD NOT HAVE AGREED TO IT ASK aal, ual, dal, or egl!!!

AAL had the MOST RESTRICTIVE SCOPE in the industy, but keep in mind that reverse code sharing can elimate SCOPE. AMERICAN AIRLINE's now feeds TSA and CHQ in STL. Amazing, a 757 feeding a J41.... go firgure?? Also now there are 2 Eagles and 3 alter-Eagles???

Everyone else, you can help stop this RACE FOR THE BOTTOM...
E-Mail Dwayne Worth [email protected] and tell him what you think. We must stop this now, ALPA did not help Eagle because they were regional and not important, and look what is happening now.

Here is a form letter someone wrote and gave everyone permission to use:

Dear Capt. Woerth,

I am a pilot for xyz airlines and have concerns over the Mesa Airlines tentative agreement. This TA will give management at my airline fuel to ask for wages and work rules similar to what they have proposed. We cannot allow any airline management to lower the bar in our section of the industry where pay and work rules, in many cases, are already substandard. I urge you to strongly oppose this TA.

Fraternally,

Joe Pilot
XYZ Airlines
ALPA # 123456

P.S. ALPA ...WHO CARES ABOUT GUNS IN THE COCKPIT, MAKE THE DOOR SO THEY CANNOT GET IN AND SPEND SOMETIME STOPING THIS RACE...NO MARATHON FOR THE BOTTOM OF THE INDUSTRY!

 

[big dog1]

Im a 1900 pilot at MESA and this FOCKING TA gets a big HELL NO

 

[Captain X]

Re: Mesa Vote

When is the mesa vote going to happen?

MARCH 22

at least that's what I was told by our MEC chair.....who talks with Mesa's regularly.

 

[kenai227]

Captain X

Thanks.

Best of luck for you guys.

 

[Jetscream32]

The vote started at 1000 eastern time on March 6th and ends at 1000 eastern time on March 18th

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Nothing good comes from texas.

Lyndon Johnson

Cowboys

Oilers left for a reason (go Titans)

Dumbass (well, look at the whitehouse) Its the economy, dumbass.

AMR