Mesa shuts down another one

[El Ocho]

Really?

It's all cyclical, my man.

During which period was there a good cycle at Mesa?

I can't remember reading that life was ever good there....

 

[Economy101]

This is industry sucks. All of us in some way have been scorned by the aviation industry and if you say you haven't you're either lying or too young to have had it yet. The main problem is pilots; NOT ALL PILOTS, are "predatory." For some reason there are enough of those types of pilots that will schit on the industry and fellow pilots to try and further their career. The problem being that the schit he just took will ripple through the industry and eventually fall back on his head in some way. When all pilots finally realize this, meaning don't take schit azz wages for a pilot job, pay your dues to become a professional pilot (instructing, freight, renting an a/c for flight time), don't undercut someones seniority, etc, etc, we will be able to take back our industry from management scum.

There should be one pilot list you are automatically put on upon completion of your commercial pilot rating. Your career abilities fall on the quality of your total time and this list.

JO is a big piece of schit for taking advantage of numskull pilots who would sell their young.

 

[synchoff]

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There should be one pilot list you are automatically put on upon completion of your commercial pilot rating. Your career abilities fall on total time and this list.

Thereby taking the ability of private companies from having any say in the hiring process. Da comrade!

For example . . . company wants to hire a pilot with 2000hrs of CRJ time, but instead has to hire some putz CFII with 2001 hrs of quailty C152 instructor time.

Brilliant.

 

[El Ocho]

When all pilots finally realize this, meaning don't take schit azz wages for a pilot job, pay your dues to become a professional pilot (instructing, freight, renting an a/c for flight time), don't undercut someones seniority, etc, etc, we will be able to take back our industry from management scum.

Well, what's option B?

Because that will never happen... No way, ever! Most pilots = type A personality = think mostly of themselves first, I mean, ONLY!

Is there then no hope on the horizon? If the positive changes we need in our industry have to come from us... geeezzz... I'd better find a new career...

 

[Economy101]

You're right....maybe you should find a different profession. Hell I'm looking to get out of this schit too! Most pilots are indeed the most selfish people on the earth.

 

[Mesa Beer]

JO is a big piece of schit for taking advantage of numskull pilots who would sell their young.

I like them young... I like Neal too. Tro it in!

 

[miles otoole]

During which period was there a good cycle at Mesa?

I can't remember reading that life was ever good there....

Sorry, didn't mean to infer that it has ever cycled up at Mesa. Just more of a cycle of Mesa dragging others down. I guess the response should have been "What comes around, goes around."

 

[El Ocho]

Huh?

Sorry, didn't mean to infer that it has ever cycled up at Mesa. Just more of a cycle of Mesa dragging others down. I guess the response should have been "What comes around, goes around."

Wait, so it's the pilots' fault?

Mesa sux because of its pilots? And we (the pilots) are dragging the industry down?

We're not back to that POS argument, are we?

 

[El Ocho]

Just the opposite?

Thereby taking the ability of private companies from having any say in the hiring process. Da comrade!

For example . . . company wants to hire a pilot with 2000hrs of CRJ time, but instead has to hire some putz CFII with 2001 hrs of quailty C152 instructor time.

Brilliant.

I think it is supposed to work more like this... Company wants to hire some new guy putz with 400 hours and an endless desire for abuse, but has to take the most senior pilot available, maybe someone who's company recently down-sized, so instead the company has to hire an out of work 5 year seniority pilot with 4000 hrs... and of course pay him 5 year pay, cuz it's global seniority... And "Thereby taking the ability of private companies from having any say in the hiring process."

Brilliant?

 

[RP170]

Wait, so it's the pilots' fault?

Mesa sux because of its pilots? And we (the pilots) are dragging the industry down?

We're not back to that POS argument, are we?

The fact that they are willing to work under that POS contract pretty much sucks.

 

[synchoff]

The fact that they are willing to work under that POS contract pretty much sucks.

To be fair, we did vote that POS in OVERWHELMINGLY, without so much as a peep of protest (well at the time anyway . . . nothing but btch,btch, btch now . . . .)

 

[RP170]

To be fair, we did vote that POS in OVERWHELMINGLY, without so much as a peep of protest (well at the time anyway . . . nothing but btch,btch, btch now . . . .)

When is it ammendable?

 

[El Ocho]

Please.... Stop!

The fact that they are willing to work under that POS contract pretty much sucks.

Again, blameing the pilots... Let's not make that stupid misconnection! It is faulty logic and misplaces blame, aggression and responsibility that should be directed towards management.

Also, remember ALPA was staunchly behind the POS contract, actively persuing its ratification. And, the pilots were under duress from the FreeDum Fucs... And many pilots have arrived after the voting, because this is the one and only job they were offered. Sure, we can all hold out for better, but we might be unemployed for a long time too.

OK, there's a group of pilots (freeDum) I am firmly behind blaming! Fukers!

But hatred of Mesa is misappropriately MISPLACED on Mesa pilots. They just work there, they don't make any business decisions!

 

[Earl Williams]

Personally, I'm at Mesa because I see it as a means to an end. Period. The company uses me, and I use the company...to build time and get out of here. That's always been the way it is here. I doubt anyone actually applies to Mesa thinking "hmmm...what a great airline to spend the rest of my career".

When I started to apply to regional carriers (prior to the hiring boom of late) I asked myself "where can I go to minimize my time in the right seat and start building PIC time?". ExpressJet, Comair, and Horizon were carriers that I seriously considered, based on their reputation as providing good QOL, pay, etc. However, I was a bit put off by their typical upgrade times. On the other hand, Mesa upgrades were typically less than those carriers, and as the old saying goes "doors open with PIC time". Those doors may be a place like SWA, or a decent corporate of fractional gig...whatever the case, it's better than life at Mesa. Personally, my objective is to get on with SWA, and I'm trying to do everything possible to make myself competitive for them...namely, 1000 hours turbine PIC (and, yes, I realize those are the minimums).

It's strange, but the crap that we have to put up with at Mesa motivates me to want to get out of here even MORE. I don't want to become complacent because I want to get out of the regional ranks...sooner than later! I know several ex-Mesa pilots that have been able to get on with the likes of SWA, and every one of them has said the same thing on their experience with Mesa: "Do your job, try and stay away from all the negativity of the crew room, and get that PIC time...it's all worth it when you get here".

I won't argue that our schedules and days off suck (amongst other things), but I guess it all depends on what you want to get out of this career. If I would have had to make the same decision again, maybe I would have chosen a place like CHQ or SkyWest or somewhere else. However, I'm well into a year here at Mesa, and starting back over would simply take me a step back in achieving my goal.

...we'll see if it works out.

 

[RP170]

Again, blameing the pilots... Let's not make that stupid misconnection! It is faulty logic and misplaces blame, aggression and responsibility that should be directed towards management.

Also, remember ALPA was staunchly behind the POS contract, actively persuing its ratification. And, the pilots were under duress from the FreeDum Fucs... And many pilots have arrived after the voting, because this is the one and only job they were offered. Sure, we can all hold out for better, but we might be unemployed for a long time too.

OK, there's a group of pilots (freeDum) I am firmly behind blaming! Fukers!

But hatred of Mesa is misappropriately MISPLACED on Mesa pilots. They just work there, they don't make any business decisions!

Did someone tell you you had to work at Mesa?

 

[El Ocho]

Huh?

Did someone tell you you had to work at Mesa?

No. And it is unlikely anyone would give out such advice... Nor that anyone would listen... What's your point?