Mesa shuts down another one

[Mesa Beer]

Maybe Mesa can give out free chicken wings onboard and call them "fallen enemy chief bones." Could be a great marketing ploy.

are you kidding me? We dont even give out peanuts on our flights! You're fired!

 

[Spinplate]

FlyHi blames mesa in the article. I would say the answer to your question is yes, it is mesa's fault. FlyHi's employees are all on the street this weekend because of mesa. I hope none of the fine folks at Aloha and Hawaiian aren't next.

Im sure all three of them had a nice severance paycheck and were sent off in style with a full bag peanuts! At least they didnt start it up and have it die off just as fast....than your talkin 50 people or more. If everyone hates JO as much as they say they do.....why does everyone follow his every move? I work for the MoFo and dont hear this $hit until I see it on here first. If you hate him, dont worry about what he does....unless your think its going to affect YOUR job. It does suck A$$ here sometimes but i feel that I have pretty good job security. Good luck to all that are going through tough times right now. Hang in there!!

 

[RP170]

Im sure all three of them had a nice severance paycheck and were sent off in style with a full bag peanuts! At least they didnt start it up and have it die off just as fast....than your talkin 50 people or more. If everyone hates JO as much as they say they do.....why does everyone follow his every move? I work for the MoFo and dont hear this $hit until I see it on here first. If you hate him, dont worry about what he does....unless your think its going to affect YOUR job. It does suck A$$ here sometimes but i feel that I have pretty good job security. Good luck to all that are going through tough times right now. Hang in there!!

Speaking of Mesa. I checked out our new crew room in ORD the other day. We share it with Air Whisky, Trans States, and Mesa apparently. I decided to pick up a Mesa pilot award schedule packet. What I saw blew my mind:

1) Average days off were 12 per month on every aircraft.
2) Many of the line holders only had 10-11 days off.
3) They have lines where your block for the month is higher than your pay credit. Guys blocking 83 hours and getting payed for 81. How does that work?
4) 4 day trips where you come back and sit 6 hours of reserve on your last day.
5) Several 3 day trips worth 6 hours total credit
6) No block or better

I know CHQ doesn't have the best contract but from what I see ours blows Mesa's away. Many more days off and more efficient trips and pay credit. It just still amazes me that people go work at Mesa when others are hiring. As JO has said he knows he's paying the Mesa pilots too much as long as he can keep filling classes.

 

[miles otoole]

It's all cyclical, my man.

 

[El Ocho]

FlyHi blames mesa in the article. I would say the answer to your question is yes, it is mesa's fault. FlyHi's employees are all on the street this weekend because of mesa. I hope none of the fine folks at Aloha and Hawaiian aren't next.

PLEASE... What's that, the "I read it in the newspaper so it must be true" argument? Or is it the "Well managment said it, so it must be true" argument?

Not that I'm defending Mesa, but really... let's try to not believe EVERYTHING that we read. It's called a critical mind. Try it sometime.

Besides, if FlyHi can't take some competition, they are in the WRONG business anyway. Start ups are easy, it's the long term running of an airline that is difficult... Which I might add is something Mesa has done successfully ... No wait, they aren't really an airline, just a vendor, nevermind....

 

[El Ocho]

Really?

It's all cyclical, my man.

During which period was there a good cycle at Mesa?

I can't remember reading that life was ever good there....

 

[Economy101]

This is industry sucks. All of us in some way have been scorned by the aviation industry and if you say you haven't you're either lying or too young to have had it yet. The main problem is pilots; NOT ALL PILOTS, are "predatory." For some reason there are enough of those types of pilots that will schit on the industry and fellow pilots to try and further their career. The problem being that the schit he just took will ripple through the industry and eventually fall back on his head in some way. When all pilots finally realize this, meaning don't take schit azz wages for a pilot job, pay your dues to become a professional pilot (instructing, freight, renting an a/c for flight time), don't undercut someones seniority, etc, etc, we will be able to take back our industry from management scum.

There should be one pilot list you are automatically put on upon completion of your commercial pilot rating. Your career abilities fall on the quality of your total time and this list.

JO is a big piece of schit for taking advantage of numskull pilots who would sell their young.

 

[synchoff]

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There should be one pilot list you are automatically put on upon completion of your commercial pilot rating. Your career abilities fall on total time and this list.

Thereby taking the ability of private companies from having any say in the hiring process. Da comrade!

For example . . . company wants to hire a pilot with 2000hrs of CRJ time, but instead has to hire some putz CFII with 2001 hrs of quailty C152 instructor time.

Brilliant.

 

[El Ocho]

When all pilots finally realize this, meaning don't take schit azz wages for a pilot job, pay your dues to become a professional pilot (instructing, freight, renting an a/c for flight time), don't undercut someones seniority, etc, etc, we will be able to take back our industry from management scum.

Well, what's option B?

Because that will never happen... No way, ever! Most pilots = type A personality = think mostly of themselves first, I mean, ONLY!

Is there then no hope on the horizon? If the positive changes we need in our industry have to come from us... geeezzz... I'd better find a new career...

 

[Economy101]

You're right....maybe you should find a different profession. Hell I'm looking to get out of this schit too! Most pilots are indeed the most selfish people on the earth.

 

[Mesa Beer]

JO is a big piece of schit for taking advantage of numskull pilots who would sell their young.

I like them young... I like Neal too. Tro it in!

 

[miles otoole]

During which period was there a good cycle at Mesa?

I can't remember reading that life was ever good there....

Sorry, didn't mean to infer that it has ever cycled up at Mesa. Just more of a cycle of Mesa dragging others down. I guess the response should have been "What comes around, goes around."

 

[El Ocho]

Huh?

Sorry, didn't mean to infer that it has ever cycled up at Mesa. Just more of a cycle of Mesa dragging others down. I guess the response should have been "What comes around, goes around."

Wait, so it's the pilots' fault?

Mesa sux because of its pilots? And we (the pilots) are dragging the industry down?

We're not back to that POS argument, are we?

 

[El Ocho]

Just the opposite?

Thereby taking the ability of private companies from having any say in the hiring process. Da comrade!

For example . . . company wants to hire a pilot with 2000hrs of CRJ time, but instead has to hire some putz CFII with 2001 hrs of quailty C152 instructor time.

Brilliant.

I think it is supposed to work more like this... Company wants to hire some new guy putz with 400 hours and an endless desire for abuse, but has to take the most senior pilot available, maybe someone who's company recently down-sized, so instead the company has to hire an out of work 5 year seniority pilot with 4000 hrs... and of course pay him 5 year pay, cuz it's global seniority... And "Thereby taking the ability of private companies from having any say in the hiring process."

Brilliant?

 

[RP170]

Wait, so it's the pilots' fault?

Mesa sux because of its pilots? And we (the pilots) are dragging the industry down?

We're not back to that POS argument, are we?

The fact that they are willing to work under that POS contract pretty much sucks.