MESA pilots response to proposal

[mckpickle]

350

I wouldn't apply or work for MESA if it was the only airline that kept food on the table. You worthless spinless losers were the ones who started this whole race to the bottom.

And if you do not think that your growth is being financed on the backs of your employee groups try callin 877-MESA-CEO.

Your Lorenzo-esc comander in chief specifically states that that is the only reason that you have and growth. But don't forget ACA WOULDN'T BE IN THE FCUKING SITUATION IF YOU PEOPLE HAD A BACKBONE AND STOOD UP TO HIM AT ALL!

OH freedom is coming, freedom is coming Please. If you guys had enough balls to shut the doors Freedom would not have come. You, 350 make me fukcing sick!

 

[acaTerry]

350 Driver,

Thank you for wasting approximately 15 minutes of our lives reading your posts.
We have heard what you said and are all dumber from it.
Thanks again.......Dum-Bass

 

[eaglefly]

Tragically, every single one of the previous posts on this thread have missed the potential realities of this "marriage" should it come to fruition.

Johnnie "smooth talk" will do this deal identical to CC AIR. Once ACA's assets are acquired (either by negotiation or by "hostile" means if they go directly to the ACA shareholders), Mesa managment is then in the driver seat.

Unless union represented ACA employees have specific protections in their CBA's regarding merger and fragmentation, that means he will use whipsaw tactics to strongarm ACA employee groups to accept Mesa working conditions or gradually transfer work and assets to Mesa to be operated by Mesa employees. The only exception would be seniority integration issues which they probably will allow the unions to work out a'la AMR/TWA.

Should this disasterous situation (for ACA employees) occur you'll be working for the new "Lorenzo".

You might as well resign en mass.

I see "promises" of growth in exchange for current Mesa slave labor conditions.

I truly feel for the honorable pilots of ACA.

You're being hungrily eyed by the devil himself.

Study the Mesa contract to see what your future will be behind the "iron curtain".

 

[acapoisonpill]

What DID they tell you?

When we (ACA) considered wage concessions as a result of MESA taking paycuts as a result of FREEDOM, we were given many details of the contracts in the industry. Comair, roughly 1% above ACA. SKYW barely less than ACA, then our new TA, ARW EGL, PSA, MESA (2001), PCL, ALG, PDT, TSA and finally MESA's new agreement. We could and still can look up any 50 seat rate for any of these companies on our ALPA site. It was with this information that our pilot group made a decision to give the TA & UAL thing a go.

When I see Mesa pilot asking which contract is better, I wonder did they get you drunk or what?

ACA's secret poison pill is the pilot group, we don't always vote yes!!!

 

[350DRIVER]

Thanks for the kick in the ball$ when ACA is down on the mat...that's very sporting of you ole' chap.

House- I was just looking at the present day situation and what may or may not happen should this materialize, not meant to be a $hot in the balls. The only thing you and I can do is "speculate", however it is my personal opinion that this may indeed help you folks should Mesa choose to do this. I personally can't see why or how folks continue to bash Mesa when in fact it may be for the better and increase job security at ACA among other things should this happen. I just cannot see how one would continue to bash Mesa when you folks are in trouble like this.??

I wouldn't apply or work for MESA if it was the only airline that kept food on the table. You worthless spinless losers were the ones who started this whole race to the bottom.

That is your opinion and I am sure no love is lost by the other party... Plenty of folks DO want to fly for Mesa and I don't see any problem down the line in being able to obtain pilots. Like I said before, simple solution is don't fu$kin apply to Mesa... No problems for either party then but to continue to bash them for no reason is kind of ridiculous but think as you may.


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[mckpickle]

It's not for NO reason. Its the action of a few (you) that are having negitive consequesnces on the entire industry.

You you honestly say that the industry as a whole is a better place because MESA is here? If you can I don't think anyone would agree.

 

[350DRIVER]

You you honestly say that the industry as a whole is a better place because MESA is here? If you can I don't think anyone would agree.

I can't argue with you on this one but it is my belief that the same level of respect that is given to other regional pilots should also be given to the Mesa pilots. Obviously one is not going to be overly happy with some things but like with every other profession/company you have your positives and negatives..



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[BlueCanoe]

mcpickle,

Funny how one pilot can bring down an entire industry...I only thought 16yr contracts caused from consolidatoin whipsawing did that. Quit bashing.

 

[mckpickle]

.............. it is my belief that the same level of respect that is given to other regional pilots should also be given to the Mesa pilots.

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Main Entry: 1re·spect
Pronunciation: ri-'spekt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin respectus, literally, act of looking back, from respicere to look back, regard, from re- + specere to look -- more at SPY
Date: 14th century
1 : a relation or reference to a particular thing or situation <remarks having respect to an earlier plan>
2 : an act of giving particular attention : CONSIDERATION
3 a : high or special regard : ESTEEM b : the quality or state of being esteemed :




Respect is something that is earned by proving yourself to your peers.

What has MESA done to earn the Respect of its peers?

I'm off my soap box now. I'll let the Blue-Ridgers take the fight. Just know you are supported

 

[T-Gates]

I just love it, when I partipated in all the PFT threads because I PFT'ed myself..... My 350Driver was quick to trash me and call me a $hitty pilot because I was a PFT "whore".

Now he is standing up for Mesa and others are trashing him.....and he runs to the bushes....

Revenge is sweet....

And I'm pulling for you ACA guys...



Disclaimer: Just besause I mentioned PFT, do not turn this into a PFT thread.....

 

[350DRIVER]

I just love it, when I partipated in all the PFT threads because I PFT'ed myself..... My 350Driver was quick to trash me and call me a $hitty pilot because I was a PFT "whore".

You "rented" a seat out and last I checked I noticed that Mesa does not have an agreement with Gulfjoke.... Obviously you had but "1" choice on where you were gonna get that jet gig. - I guess a blank check can you wonders for some pilots... God bless ya bud, better you than I.

Now he is standing up for Mesa and others are trashing him.....and he runs to the bushes....

I am right here... You take the mirrors down in your room so you don't have to look into them every morning.? - And to think you have the ball$ to comment after you bought your job.


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[T-Gates]

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You "rented" a seat out and last I checked I noticed that Mesa does not have an agreement with Gulfjoke....

Ahhh yes.....This has everything to do with nothing......

Obviously you had but "1" choice on where you were gonna get that jet gig.

Oh yeah, I forgot that I had to miss out on the otherwise abundant positions available to non-GIA pilots......

I guess a blank check can you wonders for some pilots... God bless ya bud, better you than I.

I'm happy with my investment......

You take the mirrors down in your room so you don't have to look into them every morning.?

No, the cardboard box I live in is too small for mirrors.....

And to think you have the ball$ to comment after you bought your job.

Wait, I'll check.....

1...

2...

Yep still here......

 

[mckpickle]

I paid 10K for my seat. Best money I ever spent. Point is everyone was PFT in 97. Am I a whore 350?

 

[RubberDuck]

PFT = Pimple Faced Twit

 

[350DRIVER]

I paid 10K for my seat. Best money I ever spent. Point is everyone was PFT in 97. Am I a whore 350?

I don't believe SkyWest, Mesa, Eagle, Air Wisconsin, etc, etc, were PFT in 97' so apparently that shoots your theory down about "everyone" being PFT.... Are you a "whore".? As long as you are happy with your choice then I guess that is all that counts, better you than I. I don't think what you did is nearly as bad as the below average "kids" who have to write Gulfjoke a blank check present day to "rent" a seat out for 250 hours. I think $18,000 + dollars to do this is a complete joke and undercuts the industry as a whole. I think that is a much bigger problem than anything else with regards to PFT.


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