Mesa Mgt pulls out of PBS

[wmuflyguy]

Looks like they are positioning themselves for the BK negotiations. What is given before/taken away before BK doesn't count in the judges eye's (at least that was the judges reasoning in the Comair BK 1113c motion).

 

[wmuflyguy]

Such a good airline. I wish I would have paid for the chance to interview there. I've always been amazed they got one pilot to interview since they pay 50.00. But I guess it takes a certain type of person to work at Mesa

You do realize you (and I) work for a place that voted in paycuts twice right? Not only that, but people actually paid a hell of a lot more than 50 bucks for the privilage of working here back in the 90's.

 

[mesaserf]

But wait, it gets even better!

When the company removes PBS they get to keep the mandatory check in system. This virtually guarantees that after the furlough you will have to put up with constant re-assignments even into days off. What you bid will never come close to what you fly. No pay guarantee for lost flying due to re-assignments is just icing on the cake.

Oh.. And don't forget that the "Quality of Life" LOA forces reserve pilots to make contact with the company after every shift. Refuse a reassignment even if it goes into days off and get a UFR. (Unavailable for Reserve) Get three of those in a year and they get to fire you. Also please note that the LOA makes reserve pilots bid day by day for RSV shifts. This means that you could be forced to take an "All Nighter" after doing early AM flying all week.

You can thank the MEC and the Negotiating Committee Chairman who sold the RSV pilots down the river for the next two plus years all for a weak ass commuter clause.

The new sick call/attendance policy (Forced on us outside of the CBA) states you get points for any sick call. Call in sick for a six day reserve shift and get six points. At ten points they fire you, you do the math. Sure we may have a shot at getting it removed because it is a violation of the Railway Labor Act. But it could take years to get a judgment.

To think I busted my ass for years as a union volunteer just to see this happen.

God do I need a drink.

 

[samballs]

You do realize you (and I) work for a place that voted in paycuts twice right? Not only that, but people actually paid a hell of a lot more than 50 bucks for the privilage of working here back in the 90's.

I get that, I didn't pay to play at OH though, and I have voted no at OH every time. But the pilots that voted yes had more reason than Mesa pilots, even though those reason were all wrong reasons. Mesa pilots voted yes for a contract that even if this didn't happen it still kept them at the bottom

 

[sayrejm]

Why cant they all just say "Hey, make this better or we all don't come in to work!"? JB isn't Reagan, he can't just fire ALL of you, can he? Oh wait, there are a thousand others out there who will take your place tomorrow because nothing will change until ALL pilots EVERYWHERE hold themselves to a higher professional standard and .......

JUST SAY NO! (find your anti-drug)

 

[sayrejm]

is everywhere one word or two?

 

[sayrejm]

nevermind

 

[sayrejm]

sh!t.... never mind is two.....

 

[Fltlvls]

If you really believe that you are even more spineless than I originally accused you of being. Whats it like to live in a hopeless world?


Sure.....Blame the group for your failures.

What did you ever do improve the situation for Mesa pilots while you were there? The way you constantly defend their consistent failures I'd say you were comfortable with the way things are over there.

btw: MESA SUCKS!

Hard to reply to an idiot like yourself that doesn't understand or wants to understand what I am trying to say.As far as a hopeless world, why don't you tell me whats it like,sounds like you are still living it:laugh:

 

[khsgt]

I don't really see the point in arguing this anyway as Mesa's chance of existence in six months is somewhere between slim and none. I would guess your time would be much better planning an exit strategy, any strategy, instead of arguing over your current contract.

I'm a former Mesa guy, and I hate to see a bunch of good guys out of work, but I think JO may have finally run out of luck and it is all of you that will pay the price.

 

[Bluestreak]

is everywhere one word or two?

Noone knows....

 

[Jar Jar]

But wait, it gets even better!

When the company removes PBS they get to keep the mandatory check in system. This virtually guarantees that after the furlough you will have to put up with constant re-assignments even into days off. What you bid will never come close to what you fly. No pay guarantee for lost flying due to re-assignments is just icing on the cake.

Oh.. And don't forget that the "Quality of Life" LOA forces reserve pilots to make contact with the company after every shift. Refuse a reassignment even if it goes into days off and get a UFR. (Unavailable for Reserve) Get three of those in a year and they get to fire you. Also please note that the LOA makes reserve pilots bid day by day for RSV shifts. This means that you could be forced to take an "All Nighter" after doing early AM flying all week.

You can thank the MEC and the Negotiating Committee Chairman who sold the RSV pilots down the river for the next two plus years all for a weak ass commuter clause.

The new sick call/attendance policy (Forced on us outside of the CBA) states you get points for any sick call. Call in sick for a six day reserve shift and get six points. At ten points they fire you, you do the math. Sure we may have a shot at getting it removed because it is a violation of the Railway Labor Act. But it could take years to get a judgment.

To think I busted my ass for years as a union volunteer just to see this happen.

God do I need a drink.

So have i got this right?

You guys basically signed a concessionary contract by pretending it wasn't concessionary, but now it definitely is?

Haha.

 

[Wind_Danzer]

One person can't change things.The whole group has to band together to acheive that.D!ck

I don't believe I have ever posted until now and it's sad an excuse like the above would bring me out of the woodwork.

I was that one person for quite a while at Mesa, so much so that pilots were coming to me and I was the FA President in PHX. Some of you here may know me.

I turned PHX around for the FA's so much that when the rest of my counterparts were trying to shove a POS FA LOA down my throat I took it (and them) by the balls and forced a membership ratification.

PHX itself was a resounding no but because the other self serving leadership didn't tell the whole story, us no's also lost in the largest voter turn out for FA's EVER at Mesa. Now the FA's are going to be in a very similar position, pretty much a concessionary contract when the company isn't even in BK (yet...).

If one person has the balls to stand up for what is right, take those balls and implant them into the group, you will see people follow. You do it by being visible, by being a tenacious fighter for their rights and never backing down until the company can prove to you you are wrong (which 95% of the time they cannot).

A-V-8 I too was on every one of those calls to listen in and I was disgusted at the attitude I heard from some of your leadership. Blowing off questions and saying stuff like "that won't happen". It's very similar to what most of the FA leadership is like there.

I am tired of seeing a majority of both pilot and FA leadership with their heads in the sand or thinking only about themselves. Fortunately my replacement is holding his own quite well but the rest are still touch and go.

The only way to fix it is for both groups to have decent people willing to step into the leadership roles. Until that happens, you will have people leading you instead of you leading the leadership.

 

[Regul8r]

A.M. needs to be flogged in public. That F'in guy wanted to play nice with management. What a jackass.

That is ALPA policy. They do it to "build credbility" with management. What's funny is that ALPA does this in a show of good faith, only to have management cram the ball gag in their mouth before shoving each consecutively worse contract up their ass.

 

[pilot22]

That is ALPA policy. They do it to "build credbility" with management. What's funny is that ALPA does this in a show of good faith, only to have management cram the ball gag in their mouth before shoving each consecutively worse contract up their ass.

ALPA and Mesa MEC did this. As one of the 400, we all told you so. Let's not forget to mention how there were pilots eligible to vote and their senority date from DOH was good but several pilots were there was a "glitch" with syntax and they couldn'teven paper vote.

The MEC and the MEC alone has everything to do with this. Hope you all feel realgood about your line this month. You gave up everything for this. congrads. Mesa will not be around the way it is now. That is for sure.There will be BK or sold off.

 

[NoJoy]

Yes it is sad that there were pilots elgible to vote and in good standing-but they thought their vote would not count. They are currently being furloughed and down graded-

 

[pdub20s]

Just to play devils advocate here.. Less than 10 days ago the Mesa pilot group was screaming bloody murder at ALPA for not holding a PBS Vote. The pilot group needs to be real with itself and undestand the anger is coming from being kicked in the balls and not being allowed to kick back. This anger has nothing to do with Block or better and etc etc. When this pilot group was screaming to get rid of PBS, they were fully aware of the ramifications it came with. Its about PRIDE, and our MEC made us look like fools.

 

[dowhite2]

Ha,

Wow for once I agree with PDub! The MEC needs to be held accountable. Here's a metaphore...It's as if the MEC came to a football game with mgt and before hand the MEC planted a couple of landminds on the field (the loopholes, mgt "outs" in the new contract and the rsv LOA). They are now wondering why all their pilots are getting blown up all over the field. The MEC wants us pilots to be mad at MGT now. Nope blame needs to be laid on the MEC.

 

[dowhite2]

Ha,

Wow for once I agree with PDub! The MEC needs to be held accountable. Here's a metaphore...It's as if the MEC came to a football game with mgt and before hand the MEC planted a couple of landminds on the field (the loopholes, mgt "outs" in the new contract and the rsv LOA). They are now wondering why all their pilots are getting blown up all over the field. The MEC wants us pilots to be mad at MGT now. Nope blame needs to be laid on the MEC.

Oh look at P.F.'s new email.... looks like they are trying to play us pilots off the MEC for PBS. Well believe it or not...time for us to band together behind the MEC, flaws and all

 

[A-V-8]

I wanted PBS to go. I was outraged that I would not get to vote even though the MEC said in writing that I would.

Best of both worlds. PBS dies. Union can point the finger at management when chaos ensues. Integration will be a goat rope.