Mesa is hurting for F/O's in which aircraft??

[RP170]

Well... they must still be in business for a reason! And thats all it is..... ITS A BUSINESS!! They make money! Well they try anyway. I know I wont be at a regional forever so if I can get PHX as my base and not commute that would be great! If I could make all the regional carriers call me for an interview and an offer I probably wouldnt pick Mesa or Pinnacle, but thats what I have right now and Im not waiting around for the hiring to stop. Being patient!!?? You think about that when your sitting in the right seat of that 170 after 5 years.

That's a bold statement from a guy who hasn't even proved that he can cut it in the industry yet. Good luck with making it into the left seat at Pinnacle or Mesa within the next 5 years yourself. No more airplanes coming at Pinnacle and I wouldn't expect a whole lot more from Mesa either. Another 50 170's on the property at CHQ between now and the same time next year per our CEO in a memo to the employees. Good luck. You'll be lucky to make it into a regional at all with that attitude.

 

[RP170]

Actually right now there are probably more pilots leaving Mesa for other regionals than there are for majors. Until you get there, don't underestimate the practicality of starting over on the bottom of someone else's list.

That just proves there is little to be desired about Mesa. But spin still just doesn't get it does he? He knows all there is to know about the regionals instructing in that 172.

 

[wheelsup]

Being patient!!?? You think about that when your sitting in the right seat of that 170 after 5 years.

LOL. The upgrade time there is half what it is at mesa...

The days of "quick upgrade" at mesa are looong gone, unless you get the 1900.

~wheelsup

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Well... they must still be in business for a reason! And thats all it is..... ITS A BUSINESS!! They make money! Well they try anyway. I know I wont be at a regional forever so if I can get PHX as my base and not commute that would be great!

--JO makes money, pilots don't.

--How is it that you know you will even make it to a regional, let alone past the regionals? Must have a crystal ball.

--From what I've been told from others, don't know personally, they can give your days off at out stations?!

Have Fun!!

Pt P

 

[psysicx]

I thought they were getting rid of the 1900?

 

[Spinplate]

Hey RP170!! Why are you so worried about me anyway. I have to learn from my mistakes only, not yours or anyone elses! So lates

 

[BlackPilot628]

LOL. The upgrade time there is half what it is at mesa...

The days of "quick upgrade" at mesa are looong gone, unless you get the 1900.

~wheelsup

Yeah. I know guys at Mesa that are 4 year F/O's in CLT.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hey RP170!! Why are you so worried about me anyway. I have to learn from my mistakes only, not yours or anyone elses! So lates

RP170 is a smart guy. He's young but he's been through 3 airlines and a frlow.
He's one of the good guys.

 

[wheelsup]

I have to learn from my mistakes only, not yours or anyone elses!

Did you not learn ANYTHING from history class?

 

[DeltaLima21]

I thought they were getting rid of the 1900?

*The 1900 will never go away...Air Midwest is a tax write off for mesa. They are down to around 19 Aircraft from 35 last year. 2 new hire classes and 1 upgrade class within the next month. They award 1900 FO's to the jet...then turnaround and spend more money on new hires a month later... makes a lot of sense to me..

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Yeah. I know guys at Mesa that are 4 year F/O's in CLT.

BP, Did you work as a CFI at PNE for a short time? Are you a former AF enlisted guy? You just remind me of someone in the way you write/speak sometimes. Just wondering, not an attack or anything.

 

[bitememesa]

Hey! What the MEL'd APU?! Since someone has been through 3 airlines and a furlough, what suddenly makes them god? Mesa may not be the best place in the world but it is getting better. The people that bitch about Mesa are the people that think they've been so wronged by the fact that they got such a lousy contract to be airline pilots and oooooh...airline management has done so many naughty things to them. Boo hoo! DON'T WORK FOR COMPANY'S FROM WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO GET FURLOUGHED RETARDS!

Get over yourselves people you're making us all look bad. The THREE (count 3) MDA pilots that decided to come over from the "real" world just goes to show what they think of your lousy operation. You scope busting nazis go to heck, take your little Airbuses and shove them right up your tail pipes.

I've had enough of this Mesa bashing stuff. You want to bash my airline, tell me something that's TRUE about why Mesa is bad.

In fact they did a fine job of going the extra mile to get me home tonight. In fact, why is Mesa great? I fly airplanes with less than 300 hours on them (yes...we are taking airplanes). Wannabe know it all idiots!

As for this thread we are short in all domiciles on all aircraft.

 

[BlackPilot628]

BP, Did you work as a CFI at PNE for a short time? Are you a former AF enlisted guy? You just remind me of someone in the way you write/speak sometimes. Just wondering, not an attack or anything.

Oh no! To cold up there for this brotha. I was never in the Air Force, but I respect those that are.
Good Luck.

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

Spinplate,

If you haven't noticed by now there is always a truckload of "experts" out there that think they got a bead on things at every other airline. Truth is this, there are discontent people at every airline on the planet. Just do what you think is right for you and your family and don't worry about what anyone else thinks. In the end that is all you have left anyways because the guy sitting next to you is gonna do what's right for him and his family. All the hot air coming from people about finally taking a stand and making the industry better is just that, hot air. Now let me say that there are probably a few places that are making small improvements, but these days it's all about survival. So take that for what it's worth and just remember, do what YOU think is right cause in the end no one else gives a rats booty about you and yours.

SLC

 

[psysicx]

It doesn't seem like the 1900 is a desirable place according to the people over at Mesa Lounge. It seems like changing bases multiple times a year to awful locations is common. Have upgrade times slowed on that aircraft?

 

[PIREP]

I've had enough of this Mesa bashing stuff. You want to bash my airline, tell me something that's TRUE about why Mesa is bad.

Nobody needs to, you guys do enough b!tching about your own airline yourselves. Listening to you guys on the hotel vans is excruciating. The crews I've seen complain constantly. If it was an isolated incident, I'd understand, but just about every Mesa crew on the hotel van a couple of months ago (same overnight), it seemed were having a "who can top who" b!tchfest. Even my FA was asking who they worked for and why they were complaining so much. The Captain and I got a chuckle about that. Sad but true. It made for alot of uncomfortable rides.

 

[oldskoolbronco2]

Wow....pinnacle vs. mesa...some people really are desperate to get that first airline job. That's part of the problem with the industry now, guys don't do much research before they choose a company. They take whatever comes their way instead of being patient and waiting for a good 121 regional carrier and then complain about how terrible life is where they get hired at. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone on here because I chose to fly at CHQ after being furloughed from Independence but I at least did some reasearch and networked to find out who has the most growth potential, best QOL, good training department and overall job satisfaction and went from there to make an educated decision.

at least you had 121 time to me marketable, some people have to take the first offer because they are not competitive with furloughed 121 guys. So don't get to high and mighty biotch

 

[FN FAL]

...some people have to take the first offer because they are not competitive with furloughed 121 guys.

where did they take him, oh great Marxist one?

 

[WSurf]

Wow....pinnacle vs. mesa...some people really are desperate to get that first airline job. That's part of the problem with the industry now, guys don't do much research before they choose a company.

And so what? Did you do your research? I see that the 170's pay is the same as the CRJ 900's pay! Flying that plane (EMB-170) for those FO payrates is a slap in the face to the industry also. Don't think you should be the one bashing anyone that is trying to get a job at Mesa.
Remember you flying that Guppy Killer for those rates is gonna make my journey to a major a bit longer! How does that make you feel?
Think before you type!

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Yeah, some people might be considering where they are going to be based cause maybe, just maybe they live in that same city. I happen to live in Phoenix and I would choose Mesa over Pinnacle (I have both interviews coming up) just so I can have the chance of being based here in PHX so I dont have to commute. Some of us are responsible and might have a home and family to consider before making a huge decision on what company to fly for. Grow some pubes and grow up. My QOL is much more important! Its worth it to me to live here than to be on with another regional, OK!?

Mesa or Pinnacle... wow really setting some standards with those choices.

 

[RP170]

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And so what? Did you do your research? I see that the 170's pay is the same as the CRJ 900's pay! Flying that plane (EMB-170) for those FO payrates is a slap in the face to the industry also. Don't think you should be the one bashing anyone that is trying to get a job at Mesa.
Remember you flying that Guppy Killer for those rates is gonna make my journey to a major a bit longer! How does that make you feel?
Think before you type!

Yes I did actually. Unfortunately, many of us had to start over at CHQ after the company we were working for went out of business. You don't see many, if any, guys that worked where we did taking jobs at Mesa or Pinnacle unless they were hired into the left seat. Guppy killers are here to stay. It's the same as any other 70 seat aircraft. Sure it may look different but it has less seats than the BAE 146, Avro RJ85, ATR 72, CRJ 900. Those were the original "guppy killers" not the E170. What if Piedmont got the E170? Would you leave because you would refuse to fly a "guppy killer?"

I interviewed with CHQ because I live in a city where they have a 135/145 base. I had no desire to fly the 170. QOL is more important to me than what I fly. However, I was only given a choice of flying the 170 so I took it. It's a job for now.

I'm sorry you haven't been able to find a better job yet with your 6500 hours and ATP. We have many guys here at CHQ moving onto greener pastures with less time than that. I would take a look at yourself first and not blame another regional airline pilot.

 

[Camembert]

And so what? Did you do your research? I see that the 170's pay is the same as the CRJ 900's pay! Flying that plane (EMB-170) for those FO payrates is a slap in the face to the industry also. Don't think you should be the one bashing anyone that is trying to get a job at Mesa.
Remember you flying that Guppy Killer for those rates is gonna make my journey to a major a bit longer! How does that make you feel?
Think before you type!

Air France is hiring. It is the best airline in the world and only hires the best of the best, plus they fly Airbus which is also the best aircraft and you will get to eat a lot of cheese and drink a lot of wine.

 

[n757st]

Is it true that on a stand up that at mesa you have to sleep in the airplane. (as in the company will not buy you a hotel room)? Not a rag, just curious whether what I have been told was true or not.

 

[ratherbeflyen]

What brought this almost year old thread back to life?

 

[blzr]

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Yes I did actually. Unfortunately, many of us had to start over at CHQ after the company we were working for went out of business. You don't see many, if any, guys that worked where we did taking jobs at Mesa or Pinnacle unless they were hired into the left seat. Guppy killers are here to stay. It's the same as any other 70 seat aircraft. Sure it may look different but it has less seats than the BAE 146, Avro RJ85, ATR 72, CRJ 900. Those were the original "guppy killers" not the E170. What if Piedmont got the E170? Would you leave because you would refuse to fly a "guppy killer?"

I interviewed with CHQ because I live in a city where they have a 135/145 base. I had no desire to fly the 170. QOL is more important to me than what I fly. However, I was only given a choice of flying the 170 so I took it. It's a job for now.

I'm sorry you haven't been able to find a better job yet with your 6500 hours and ATP. We have many guys here at CHQ moving onto greener pastures with less time than that. I would take a look at yourself first and not blame another regional airline pilot.

BECAUSE the pay at PDT is liveable and when you get a little senority you can live a fairly good life away from the airport. I would also like to know your definition of ALOT, as most majirs are not hiring and FedEx is very heavy omn military hiring.

hmmm........

 

[WSurf]

RP170,

All I am saying is don't bash Mesa people!!!! You are doing the same shizzznit!! Your best bet is to just read the post and keep your mouth shut! Look in the mirror Bro!
ACA was a stand up company, but you sold yourself out!!! So don't bash Mesa!!

 

[psysicx]

Yes there pilots have to sleep in the plane. The pilots that flew me to Phx on Christmas looked like they had gone through a washing machine.

 

[Beantown]

Is it true that on a stand up that at mesa you have to sleep in the airplane. (as in the company will not buy you a hotel room)? Not a rag, just curious whether what I have been told was true or not.

The answer is no. Mesa has normal standups like everyone else and we get hotels. The trips that pilots are sleeping in the planes are all night flying out of LAS.
Ex: Leave xxx at 11:00 pm and fly to LAS. Leave LAS at 1:20 am and arrive at xxx at 4:30 am. You have a 6:30 am departure back to LAS. You now have 2 hrs to kill. Happens to all of us everyday right? Do you get a hotel when you have a 2 or 3 hr break in your schedule? Difference is it is the middle of the night and nothing is open, nothing to do. So the pilots take a cat nap in the plane. Sucks but it has to do with the all night flying HP assigns Mesa out of LAS. -Bean

 

[BlackPilot628]

RP170,

All I am saying is don't bash Mesa people!!!! You are doing the same shizzznit!! Your best bet is to just read the post and keep your mouth shut! Look in the mirror Bro!
ACA was a stand up company, but you sold yourself out!!! So don't bash Mesa!!

How does a Furlwd pilot from ACA sell themselves short. All of the guys from ACA/IDE took jobs, period! There was no selling themselves short. That would be going to Mesa.
The payrates might be the same at Mesa but let's look at the QOL. It's not always about pay. We don't work for free, they do. 2 hours ground stop + a 2.5 hours flight. Block is 4.7 lets say. We get paid, ASH doesn't.

 

[WSurf]

Hmmmm, beantown.... Are you the same person that Bashed Mesa when you were with CCAir, and now all the sudden you get in the Left seat of an RJ, now Mesa is a alright company?
Stop defending that piece of shizzzzznit airline!! Mesa Raped your CCAir Contact and now you are sitting there defending the airline!!!! God you make me sick!!!! And too think I liked you CCAir folks!!!!