MESA has lowered hiring mins (again)

[Soverytired]

"Mesa Air Group is now accepting applications with 500 hours total time and 100 hours multiengine" ---- from the Mesa-air.com homepage


I'm sure they'll all be trained up to ATP standards and will be completely qualified. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that my cockpit just became an effectively one man show. Ugh.

 

[doh]

I hate to say it, but they will all be doing it soon! Sorry for your luck!

 

[BoilerUP]

And that's different than the current batch of MAPD/Pace pilots going to Mesa how?

 

[Soverytired]

Hah! I gotta check in with the mother ship home page more often. I gotta stop complaining, because the mother ship clearly states:


"So if you’re looking for great, friendly service or you’re keen to work in a fun, professional environment with the best in the business, we’d love to welcome you to Mesa, ATW Regional Airline of the Year 2005. "


(Will someone please win that stupid award so our flight attendants don't have to say it every time during their announcements? This is getting ridiculous. I wonder if our company just paid ATW 50k to make up this award and give it to Mesa in 2005)

 

[DannyNoonan]

i heard pinnacle is hiring allatps grads with 200tt

 

[Soverytired]

And that's different than the current batch of MAPD/Pace pilots going to Mesa how?

Oy! Well, I don't really want to get into the whole "the only LEGITIMATE way to become a pilot is [military/PFT/instructing/banner towing/cargo/corporate]. All have strengths and weaknesses.


MAPD pilots are known quantities. Their real world experience is very limited, it's true, but they're sharp, and committed, and very, very "Mesa standard". Give me a 300 hr fo trained at MAPD vs a 500 hr who scraped along for 1 year giving lessons in a C172, and I'll know in about 5 minutes which is which.

They'll both keep me on my toes (re: scare me to death), but I have a pretty good idea what to expect of a MAPD'er. Not so the "other" route.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

whats funny is how mesa is hiring anyone with a pluse and 200hrs right now. They will have a severe shortage of capts inside a year because none of these 200 hour mapd mavricks will have the total time to upgrade. Again there is no attrition problem at mesa right JO??

I have seen the new hire quality first hand and its been a one man show quite often.

 

[ERJpusher]

Oy! Well, I don't really want to get into the whole "the only LEGITIMATE way to become a pilot is [military/PFT/instructing/banner towing/cargo/corporate]. All have strengths and weaknesses.


MAPD pilots are known quantities. Their real world experience is very limited, it's true, but they're sharp, and committed, and very, very "Mesa standard". Give me a 300 hr fo trained at MAPD vs a 500 hr who scraped along for 1 year giving lessons in a C172, and I'll know in about 5 minutes which is which.

They'll both keep me on my toes (re: scare me to death), but I have a pretty good idea what to expect of a MAPD'er. Not so the "other" route.

I would take someone who has flight instructed over some who hasn't any day of the week. I learned more about flying while instructing than I ever did during initial flight training. Training is a lot of theory with no application. You should NEVER underestimate the value of practical experience.

 

[STREAKS]

I would take someone who has flight instructed over some who hasn't any day of the week. I learned more about flying while instructing than I ever did during initial flight training. Training is a lot of theory with no application. You should NEVER underestimate the value of practical experience.

Dang skippy!

 

[mdanno808]

Experience is overrated.

 

[EWRJ0225]

RAH just lowered their mins to 1000 and 100

 

[MINIME]

I'd say, don't touch Mesa with a ten foot pole if you're looking for a job. All the regionals need pilots. If you can help it, hold out for someone who's not gonna rape you. Eagle needs pilots and I believe they're a superieor regional than say...Mesa, Trans States, GJ, and I'm inclined to include Mesaba in that category due to their management's recent acts.

Ornstein and Hulas will NOT treat you as a human being. You're only an object to them. And as long as they have your resumes coming in, you will be kept at poverty levels for as long as you stay there. To go even further, they may very well screw your career. The washout rate at those places are insane! For the low time guys and gals, explaining the reason for washing out of a 121 program will be an uphill battle that you'll carry with you for the rest of your career. It is a big deal, make no mistake about it.

Go to a place where employees do matter ie..XJT, SKW, CHQ and others I may have left out. Those companies actually value your services.

 

[JohnnyP]

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"Mesa Air Group is now accepting applications with 500 hours total time and 100 hours multiengine" ---- from the Mesa-air.com homepage


I'm sure they'll all be trained up to ATP standards and will be completely qualified. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that my cockpit just became an effectively one man show. Ugh.

Just go to work and fly your plane, nothing you can do about the hiring.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Don't hate the players....hate the game....

It is the system that weak... offering low pay for crappy companies... So when the new low time guys enter your flightdeck, show them how to be professionals....

 

[Mongolikecandy]

Why Mesa is Airline of the Year

(Will someone please win that stupid award so our flight attendants don't have to say it every time during their announcements? This is getting ridiculous. I wonder if our company just paid ATW 50k to make up this award and give it to Mesa in 2005)

Has anyone actually read why Mesa was awarded this? (hint, it has nothing to do with stellar performance or customer service, but everything to do with management's ability to cornhole the labor groups)

Regional Airline of the Year: Mesa Air Group

Air Transport World, February 2005, p.28 Buy this issue

This year's Regional Airline of the Year is a company that has completed a successful business restructuring during one of the most difficult periods in the history of commercial aviation. After losing $59 million in the 2001 and 2002 fiscal years, Mesa Air Group recovered to post profits totaling $51 million over the next two years, including $26 million in the year to last Sept. 30. Revenues, meanwhile, rose more than 70% from $523 million to $896.8 million and passenger enplanements more than doubled to 10.2 million.

Somehow that is not surprising for this past winner of the Regional Airline of the Year Award. As Ornstein sums up: "It's doing the right thing with our people, acting decisively and adhering to our business model."

 

[Soverytired]

H As Ornstein sums up: "It's doing the right thing with our people, acting decisively and adhering to our business model."

Ugh, I just threw up in my mouth A LOT. That has to be a misquote. Pull the tape, because I think he probably meant to say was:

"It's doing ANYTHING TO our people . . ."