Mesa Contract

[KnightwhosaysNi]

No kidding? Mesa is not a major? Thanks for the info Sherlock

 

[stillaboo]

be suer to put it under REGIONALS as you are no longer with a major.

I'm sure they appreciate the reminder, 'blzr'. No need to beat a man while he's down, brotha'!

 

[the turtle]

junior 1900 base in Fla would be TPA or PNS (Panama City)

the other junior bases would probably be PIT and DUJ (DuBois, Pa.)

And BLZR is right. Please post later about how nasty life at Mesa will be for you U and UA guys....I guess he's under the impression that you're a bunch of spoiled MAJOR airline pilots and that you'll be 'slummin.

How classy.

 

[General Lee]

Panama City, FL is PFN---not PNS.

 

[dondk]

As a former 1900 driver for AMW...

12-15 days off? some locations, but system wide it is 10-12 with the "occassional" 12 or better and that is real senior.

Most AMW is day trips, start early.. end late... Do not consider commuting as that is next to impossible. The 2-3 day trips in a 1900 is a bear.. try stuffing your flight bag and overnight into the closet and carrying it from aircraft to aircraft. 6-8 leg's are the norm but they also have some 1/2 day trips which you start early and end by lunch or start late afternoon and end by midnight.

The 1900 is a blast and many of the crews are really cool.

Now.. the junior bases also have reserve. TPA, PIT and others are reserve bases with a few hard lines. Reserve at AMW (or Mesa) is not pleasant (not like it is anywhere else), but you can plan on spending more time deadheading than flying in a month if that gives you a clue.. Hence, that is why they are real junior.

 

[Intruder One]

Just a reminder........Jet Blue is not a major either but they are on this post also,and the way mesa is growing they will probably be a major as soon as Jet Blue maybe sooner.

 

[stillaboo]

Just a reminder........Jet Blue is not a major either but they are on this post also . . .

So a 'major' isn't any airline that flies jets that are 5 across in coach or better?

 

[Guppiedriver]

Just a reminder........Jet Blue is not a major either but they are on this post also,and the way mesa is growing they will probably be a major as soon as Jet Blue maybe sooner.

I made that mistake before also. But, if you will notice there is a category for regionals, which is where posts for Mesa Airlines belong. There is no category for Jet Blue, which should be categorized as a national. Jet Blue definately fits the major boards better than it would in the regionals. Our current system of categorizing airlines needs an overhaul.

I didn't consult my crystal ball before I posted that this thread was in the wrong category. If I had, I would not have bothered and KnightwhosaysNi would not have got his panties in a bunch.

 

[KnightwhosaysNi]

It is obvious Mesa is not a major. Nobody in there right mind needs to have that explained to them. I was just curious as to how many times I needed to say that this was under the majors by mistake. One has to scroll up a bit and see we are beating a dead horse with this talk. Thanks to all with the good info-I appreciate it.

 

[Intruder One]

Just one more note on this major thing.........when you reach 1 billion in sales you are a major.Size of A/C or any other factor does not matter.Not that I'm defending Mesa or anyone one else
but when you get those numbers you are a major.....period.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Just one more note on this major thing.........when you reach 1 billion in sales you are a major.Size of A/C or any other factor does not matter.Not that I'm defending Mesa or anyone one else
but when you get those numbers you are a major.....period.

That milestone for airlines was created a long time ago and like many things in aviation they rarely, if ever, get revised. No offense to anyone who works for a regional, but that is why the current system of categorizing airlines is in need of an overhaul.

 

[Caveman]

O.k., GuppieDriver, since you don't like the $1B mark as a legitimate gauge to identify 'majors', how would you delineate it?

 

[Intruder One]

I didn't set those guidelines.........if you don't like the way it is write your congressman or whoever.

 

[Guppiedriver]

Hate to bring this thread back to the top, but you asked.

From the ALPA website:


Carrier Groupings

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Major Large Jet Carriers: Airlines with Revenue > $ 1 Billion and aircraft with over 100 seats

National Carriers: Airlines with Revenue < $ 1 Billion and aircraft with over 100 seats; may also includes charter service carriers

Express Carriers: Airlines that provide feed for Major and/or National Carrier; aircraft under 100 seats

Canadian Carriers: Canadian Carriers that meet National, Express or Cargo carrier criteria

Cargo Carriers: provide cargo airlift; includes carriers that may also provide charter services in addition to cargo airlift

 

[stillaboo]

It is surprising that a mainline dominated union would classify anyone who flies aircraft of less than 100 seats as "Express".

Be careful what you wish for. The CRJ-1000 could be right around the corner, not to mention a 'regional' getting the EMB-190. (not that this would be a good thing)