Mesa a sinking ship?

[fried chickens]

By the way, numbers don't lie. I have tracked one pilot that made it onto the seniority list on 12/17/06 as number 1812. As of today...and the list has quite a few guys that have resigned on it, this pilot is seniority number 1647.

This pilot has moved up 165 number in 83 days....or about 2 numbers a day.

Too bad he won't make captain before the doors close.

The numbers match what I've been hearing. It seems most of the f/o attrition is coming from guys with less than a year senority. My buddies that were hired in fall 05 haven't seen there number move up too much.

 

[CFIse]

Well, let me paint you guys a different picture about Mesa, than the one painted by the junior FO above.

Which would all have been great stuff if it was true.

The seniority numbers are moving between 15 and 30 places each bid period, and they have been for the past 2 years. For the past 3 months the union has been blowing the "it's the 10th of the month and 50 people have resigned" tune - yet when the next seniority list comes out nothing like that number of people have left.

For some reason a few people would like to paint a picture of Mesa being in a death spiral. It may well be - but it's not because of attrition. Current attrition is at worst higher than average - but that's true everywhere, because there is finally movement in the industry.

You think this thread is hilarious, you should try mesahub where people, when presented with the facts, just go ballistic and start swearing, now that's some funny stuff!

 

[Checknsix]

Not true. I'm in the top third of the list. I watched my number move up 61 numbers in the past 3 months. I would say that is pretty significant for the top third of the list.

The numbers match what I've been hearing. It seems most of the f/o attrition is coming from guys with less than a year senority. My buddies that were hired in fall 05 haven't seen there number move up too much.

 

[Checknsix]

Let's start with your presentation of the facts CFIse...

As I have shown, one pilot on the bottom of the list moved up 165 numbers in the past 83 days. I have moved up 61 numbers in 90 days, as a more senior pilot. That would mean the most junior guys are moving up 55 numbers each bid, and that there are pilots in the top third of seniority, that are moving up 20 numbers each bid.

You stated that it is only 15-20 pilots per bid...where the actual seniority list is showing as many as 55 per bid. Where are your facts coming from? Mine are straight off of the seniority list. There is a reason that your opinion is different from most on the Hub....you don't back up your statements with facts.

By the way, I would like you to show me where the union has written or stated that "50 people have resigned by the 10th of the month." No such document, posting, or statement exists. Talk about exaggerating for effect.

Which would all have been great stuff if it was true.

You think this thread is hilarious, you should try mesahub where people, when presented with the facts, just go ballistic and start swearing, now that's some funny stuff!

 

[SEVEN]

MESA/FREEDOM is the worst US carrier in the United States today. They are now feeling the effects of that. They will reap what they sow. Hopefully, they will be closing the doors sooner than later. They are the cause and the start of the misery being felt throughout the enitire commuter industry. There is only one thing left to say:


:uzi: MESA/FREEDOM:smash:

 

[hyperboy]

Cfise

You must be mgmt I am convinced .I too work at Mesa and you are a fool. If you are a line pilot have been under a rock on an LOA? If it was the same attrition as you state why the money to con a friend into coming here. You must have no friends. It is the worst I have seen it since I have been here for 3 1/2 years. If they cancel vacations then you will shut up cause you will have no room to talk. Where are you we have 4 reserve FO's over here at Air Midwest that are on line. That is not enough to cover sick calls. Your an idiot!

 

[Flyer1015]

Your an idiot!

Ahhhhhhh.... nothing wakes me up better than the sweet smell of irony!

 

[MrSky]

I guess nothings been quite the same since "Larry' Kicked the Bucket.

On behalf of all pilots and employees from the Good Commuter Airlines that L.R. (RIP) and his cronies like J.O. ripped to shreds. I say See Yaa MESA!

 

[TAWS]

Heard on the grapevine at RAH:

Mesa guys coming over in large #s - BEFORE the bonus!!

Republic offered PHX as a base by USAir/AWA.

Discuss..................

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Just wait until JA announces next month that he is doing the very thing JO has had a wet dream about doing since Day 1. The BIG announcement is almost upon us!

And what,Pray tell would this big announcement be...

 

[OB-CPO]

Let's start with your presentation of the facts CFIse...

As I have shown, one pilot on the bottom of the list moved up 165 numbers in the past 83 days. I have moved up 61 numbers in 90 days, as a more senior pilot. That would mean the most junior guys are moving up 55 numbers each bid, and that there are pilots in the top third of seniority, that are moving up 20 numbers each bid.

You stated that it is only 15-20 pilots per bid...where the actual seniority list is showing as many as 55 per bid. Where are your facts coming from? Mine are straight off of the seniority list. There is a reason that your opinion is different from most on the Hub....you don't back up your statements with facts.

By the way, I would like you to show me where the union has written or stated that "50 people have resigned by the 10th of the month." No such document, posting, or statement exists. Talk about exaggerating for effect.

CFIse is a troll / dont feed the trolls.

 

[Smarta$$]

Just wait until JA announces next month that he is doing the very thing JO has had a wet dream about doing since Day 1. The BIG announcement is almost upon us!

What big announcement? Make a prediction!

 

[Soverytired]

Mesa is hiring people over the telephone to be in class on Monday of the following week AND you get your choice of domicile and aircraft.

Yeah.

In fact, Mesa already hired you without you knowing it and crew tracking wants to know why you're not answering your phone for you junior assignment camping trip (board is optional).

 

[fried chickens]

Not true. I'm in the top third of the list. I watched my number move up 61 numbers in the past 3 months. I would say that is pretty significant for the top third of the list.

Maybe my friends were talking about based senority. My PHX friend say he's moving slowly up the list to hold a line but everytime they reduce lines. My friends at other bases say they move backwards with TDYs from PHX. They're all CRJ f/o with bout a 1 1/2 in the company.

 

[Checknsix]

As US Airways takes flying away from Mesa in PHX...and since PHX is generally our best staffed domicile, extra....yet very senior pilots, come out to work at the other domiciles, pushing the locals down in relative seniority within that domicile. However, global seniority is rising quickly, as has been pointed out. Total number of pilots on staff globally, is dropping much more quickly than Mesa can replace them. The HR folks are at their wits ends about how to recruit new pilots. They have elected to quit trying to recruit for Air Midwest, and just focus on Mesa. Odds are, Air Midwest won't be around much longer. They are actively being marketed, with a hope that the pilots can be moved into jets.

Maybe my friends were talking about based senority. My PHX friend say he's moving slowly up the list to hold a line but everytime they reduce lines. My friends at other bases say they move backwards with TDYs from PHX. They're all CRJ f/o with bout a 1 1/2 in the company.

 

[ualdriver]

The HR folks are at their wits ends about how to recruit new pilots.

I have this wild idea on how Mesa, and other regionals, could recruit new pilots. Maybe they could pay them a living entry level wage like other professionals get like engineers, nurses, computer guys, etc.? Perish the thought: $40,000-$50,000/year for an entry level regional pilot entrusted with the lives of 100's of people over the course of a day and multi-million dollar equipment. Nah, forget it. That's crazy talk

 

[sqwkvfr]

Yeah.

In fact, Mesa already hired you without you knowing it and crew tracking wants to know why you're not answering your phone for you junior assignment camping trip (board is optional).

I'm not certain if you're disputing the validity of my claim, but we lost two instructors just this last weekend in this very fashion. They're in the Dash class that started today. Two OTHER CFIs that I work with turned it down.

Also, go to ANY GA airport in the PHX area and look at the flyer hanging on the BB that says that they are hiring for all domiciles and aircraft, lists a recruiters e-mail address and doesn't mention minimums at all.

 

[Flex81]

MESA/FREEDOM is the worst US carrier in the United States today. They are now feeling the effects of that. They will reap what they sow. Hopefully, they will be closing the doors sooner than later. They are the cause and the start of the misery being felt throughout the enitire commuter industry. There is only one thing left to say:


what a stupid statement. Yes...we all know mesa sucks, but as a pilot we should wish them the best and hope they get a competitive contract BEFORE they shut the doors. There are people at mesa that want to keep their jobs so they can continue to feed their kids. People wouldn't leave if it was a half-way decent place to work. Now, knowing JO...this will probably not happen. Secondly...from what I know (and correct me if I'm wrong) Freedom is a scab operation. Therefore it is unfair to group Mesa pilots with Freedom pilots. I could care less if a Freedom scab looses his/her job.

 

[pilot772]

FREEDOM IS ALPA not scabs in fact know one that is at the current Freedom was at the original whipsaw Freedom. Get YOUR facts straight before you post.

 

[Soverytired]

I'm not certain if you're disputing the validity of my claim, but we lost two instructors just this last weekend in this very fashion. They're in the Dash class that started today. Two OTHER CFIs that I work with turned it down.

Naw, just commenting on the seamless meld between our hiring dept, training, department, and crew tracking. (NOT!)

I think the gents who turned down Mesa did the smart thing. Which is really sad, because after spending years defending Mesa (not voraciously, but steadfastly) on flightinfo, I've given up on the company. Seen too much SQUEEZING by the company, and have had it.

Can't wait to get out myself. Who would recommend a job to someone if they're doing everything they can to leave it themselves.