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MESA -200s for UAL...TOAST

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pdub20s

pdub20s

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email was sent out by the company today stating UA has not informed Mesa if they will or will not continue to operate the 200s. It appears that the company is taking the Loss on this one. CRJ ground schools have been CXd
 
Negative.... and there is the option to swap 10 of the current -200s for -700s however Mesa is having trouble financing them.
 
UAL and Delta see the writing on the wall for Mesa. UAL is limiting exposure by canceling contracts, while Delta has moved them to the least important network hub to limit the impact on operations.

In May 2010, Mesa will have 63 spare airplanes:
CRJ 200 - 25 (they will have 33 spares, but 8 can be returned in April with significant lease return fees)
ERJ - 12
DHC8 - 6 (have 10, 4 can be returned on 4/30/10)
B1900 - 20

96 Airplanes will remain in revenue service:

CRJ 200 - 10 USAir
CRJ 700 - 20 UAL
CRJ 900 - 38 USAir
ERJ 145 - 22 Delta
DCH 8 - 6 USAir

As of June 30, Cash was 21M unrestricted and 14M restricted.

Mesa attempted to acquire 10 CRJ 700's for UAL, but was unable to obtain financing.
 
Word is that Mesa has given United the delivery schedule for the 10
additional -700s which as stated was required by Oct 31st.
 
Mesa memo;

Over the past several months, we have been reporting that our United DH8 and CRJ-200 contracts were at risk to expire on April 30, 2010. Last week, United served us official notice of their intent not to renew our DH8 contract and alternatively did not provide notice to extend the CRJ200 contract. Given this news, we have decided to stop ground training at this time while we evaluate our fleet plan and staffing needs (this does not include recurrent ground training).
All pending future training dates are also canceled, except for recurrent training."
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Erlanger said:
Mesa memo;
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This was the tail end of the training from a displacement that was put out this summer from overstaffing. It makes sense that they would pause it and wait to see how things pan out, then run an additional displacement to reflect the loss of UA flying whatever that is in the end.
 
How could we possibly have made it this far without a good ol'

MESA SUX!!!!!!!

-Dammit-Just look at their record!
 
And now.. Who will be the replacement... The waiting game continues.

I haven't been on here in forever..
 
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Wait, they haven't terminated the contract yet. If they had until a certain date to end a contract, and that date has passed, wouldn't it be logical to assume they are keeping the flying?
 
Cpt Oveur said:
Wait, they haven't terminated the contract yet. If they had until a certain date to end a contract, and that date has passed, wouldn't it be logical to assume they are keeping the flying?
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I think it's like an apartment. You have to let them know if you want another lease by X date. If you don't notify then they have to assume that you're leaving by the last day.
 
its not a wrap for mesa, something will happen to keep them around and hey guys I know Mesa sucks, but lets think about the pilots involved here, that would be a lot of guys who would join the unemployed ranks. Maybe Skywest will buy them to get into the USair network.
 
Don't know for sure, but was told that the ASA flying is new... Not part of the RFP for the loss of Mesa flying. Anyone know for sure?
 
flygirl135 said:
Don't know for sure, but was told that the ASA flying is new... Not part of the RFP for the loss of Mesa flying. Anyone know for sure?
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Look when ASA announced new flying compared to this announcement. Of course they can't say "this is the mesa replacement" before Mesa even receives word that they're gone.
 
What I don't understand is why everyone in the DAL Connection family thinks their flying and aircraft will be swapped out with something different. i.e. "what planes are we gonna get to replace the ____ that we're losing..." DAL is ELIMINATING regional capacity. Not maintaining it and certainly not growing it. You guys all heard 'em at the 3rd Quarter call - 100 50-seaters and all turboprops GONE. For Mesaba, that's all the 49 Saabs, and possibly 17 -200s. Huge damage to our ranks and a move that will bring us up to 11-12 year FO's... Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but take a look at your DAL Connection airline and try and figure out where YOU will stand.

MM
 
Mesabi Miner said:
What I don't understand is why everyone in the DAL Connection family thinks their flying and aircraft will be swapped out with something different. i.e. "what planes are we gonna get to replace the ____ that we're losing..." DAL is ELIMINATING regional capacity. Not maintaining it and certainly not growing it. You guys all heard 'em at the 3rd Quarter call - 100 50-seaters and all turboprops GONE. For Mesaba, that's all the 49 Saabs, and possibly 17 -200s. Huge damage to our ranks and a move that will bring us up to 11-12 year FO's... Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but take a look at your DAL Connection airline and try and figure out where YOU will stand.

MM
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I think the tide will turn... Whenever the negotiations start up for a new contract at mainline, RA and DS will start hosing them just as much as they possibly can-and DCI carriers will pick up a hell of a lot more flying.

-Don't be fooled by these weasels-DS and RAain't your pals, either.
 
i fly boxes said:
its not a wrap for mesa, something will happen to keep them around and hey guys I know Mesa sucks, but lets think about the pilots involved here, that would be a lot of guys who would join the unemployed ranks. Maybe Skywest will buy them to get into the USair network.
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Some I have pity for. Other, not so much. All those starry eyed guys with upgrade and mainline on their minds willing to take in the keister for what they knew to be subpar pay and rules, deserve what they get. Other, like Pdub, were completely ignorant to this. Many remember his Freedum sig line how proud he was. NO CLUE. But hey, for his type as well, don't do the research, pay the price.
 
CX880 said:
screw mesa they're done. What will this mean for ASA? Will we get the remainder of the CRJ200s? Will this also mean future CRJ700 flying?
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How everyone but ASA reads it:
What it means is...ASA will pick up some UAL flying because DAL will get rid of some ASA 200's......

How the ASAholes read it:
We have a far superior product and are soooooo great....everyone wants to hire us.

Igits.
 
CX880 said:
screw mesa they're done. What will this mean for ASA? Will we get the remainder of the CRJ200s? Will this also mean future CRJ700 flying?
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What it means, is you are just one step closer to a furlough, with SKYW buying more flying, your job is on the line, and I welcome you being put on the street and returning to your old occupation as a dog fluffer.
PBR
For the record, you work(on your knees) at Gheyjhets not ASA.
 
They are estimating the furlough will take us down to around seniority number 860. That is down from a high of over 1500 if I remember correctly.

That includes the Dash 8 and CRJ 200 reductions. It's going to be interesting to see how we can avoid Chapter 11 with all those aircraft sitting in the desert with the meters still running.

Good luck to us all.
 

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