Mesa #1 - Official evidence

[WalterSobchak]

I like that, I'll have to remember that one.
I ask you this. Are you dispatched to an airport or a runway?

Jeebus, man...taking things a little more seriously than I expect from the regional forum.

To an airport.

 

[AntiJedi]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and again.


It's all about context. Rockstar status is cake when you run 51 flights under the UAX code.

That reminds me:

Looking at the posted numbers, OO is more UA, than UA. Not to mention that OO has over 52% of the UAX operation.

 

[rene]

FREEDUMB OPERATES 96 FLIGHTS A DAY OUT OF FREAKING CVG WHICH IS A GHOST TOWN!!!! GATE SPACE IS A NON-ISSUE!!!! DELAYS ARE NON-EXISTENT!!!!!

Compare that now, Rene, to ASA which operates 875 flights a day, mostly out of ATL! Pinnacle's 798 flights a day, Skywest and Mesaba at 475 flights, and Comair's 415 flights! You are not comparing apples to apples here. Please pass that along to Mr. Ornstein!

WHAT A JOKE!!!!

I am afraid you are missing the point entirely. When Mesa operated more flights out of JFK, and gave up slots to Delta mainline, Delta ( according to the federal judge (acted in bad faith by cancelling the contract). Now that they are back at number one, it is because they (we) are in CVG.

How do you explain inflight performance?

You folks just cannot accept the fact that Mesa's product quality is competitive. I fly the line and I honestly can tell you I see this every day. Although there are fewer flights on Delta. Mesa still flies more than 300 flights per day and although its still early in February we have been nearly perfect so far.

I know I am a one person bandwagon at the moment but history will prove me right. Durng the last year Mesa has made huge improvements and its not just because of CVG.

Go Colts.

 

[rene]

Get ACARS and then we'll see what the truth really is. Without ACARS, everyone is "on-time".

Please explain to me how Acars impacts A-14 when the times are reported by Delta people?

Please explain to me how Acars impacts completion factor?

Please explain to me how Acars impacts in flight service of frequest flyer perception of value?

The reality is that Mesa has improved and is continuing to improve. Incidentally, the inflight surveys oN UAL called UP scores have improved by 300% year over year. I guess that is also because of no acars?

You my friend are in denial, but I cannot figure out why?

 

[rene]

So JO wrote a letter to himself?? Like the FA we had a ALG who filled 100 or so comment cards using pax names with comments about herself.

He sent this letter to all 4,000 Mesa employees

 

[hou757]

Please explain to me how Acars impacts A-14 when the times are reported by Delta people?

Please explain to me how Acars impacts completion factor?

Please explain to me how Acars impacts in flight service of frequest flyer perception of value?

The reality is that Mesa has improved and is continuing to improve. Incidentally, the inflight surveys oN UAL called UP scores have improved by 300% year over year. I guess that is also because of no acars?

You my friend are in denial, but I cannot figure out why?

Then why did you not have numbers like this in JFK, ATL etc.. Your performance was terrible when compared to other carriers. You get in CVG where it's easier to operate and you claim Mesa is the best. Get real rene..

 

[dowhite2]

Then why did you not have numbers like this in JFK, ATL etc.. Your performance was terrible when compared to other carriers. You get in CVG where it's easier to operate and you claim Mesa is the best. Get real rene..

I flew the line in JFK on the ERJ and I can tell you why we didn't have good numbers in JFK. Because Delta's Deice plan there was to cancel all connection flights. During the winter of 07/08 (the one in question with the litigation) if there was any threat of a snowstorm we would find almost our entire schedule whipped clean due to Delta commanded cancellations the day prior, so that mainline could get out on time to their int'l destinations. That's all fine and good but don't expect us to be resposible for those in our completion factor requirements. Fast forward to the winter of 08/09, F8 refused the Delta commanded cancelations which resulted in a complete mess for Delta which is why we got shuffled to CVG and Comair put in our place there. Our performance was fine in MCO, fine in ATL, sucked in JFK and is now again fine in CVG....see the pattern

 

[CaribPilot]

Who cares. Mesa is going to tank one way or another.

 

[OPECJet]

I'll tell you this rene from a pax standpoint who knows what's up....

Last year I airlined home on UA flights ASE-DEN-BHM. ASE-DEN Skywest, DEN-BHM on you guys. The SkyWest crews, very professional, friendly, clean, well spoken, well groomed (I'm talking cabin crews here, flight crews are flight crews in my book). Cabin appearance? Clean, well lit, well maintained, very few wear scratches in the paint, appeared to be well maintained from a pax standpoint. In flight service? What you would expect on a short leg.

Mesa flight? Inbound aircraft late, went to Starbucks with the flight crew. Good guys, professional, not the spiky hair type. Cabin crew? One looked like she came out of the hood, the other had some definite porn star qualities. With a slight beer buzz, possibly doable. Neither were intelligable on the PA. Cabin appearance? Grimy. Hadn't been cleaned in God knows how long, I felt like I needed a shower halfway through that 2 hour hell. Loose fittings rattled like a baby toy during the taxi, brakes sounded like an overloaded 18 wheeler trying to stop in a gigantic litter box full of angry cats. In flight service? What I would have expected on the ASE-DEN leg. Very little, even fewer smiles. I might add the galley hag in the back kept the lav locked until a parent threatened to let his little boy piss in the galley. I thought that was pretty funny..... It wasn't MEL'ed either, just an FA who felt like it had to be locked if the seatbelt sign was on. Seems to be the norm on Mesa..

I'm no fan of SkyWest, but you guys have a long way to go before much in that "memo" is true. Nothing against Mesa crews. For many years they busted hump to get me to work and home. I've also run across more than one professional and well demeanored Mesa FA. Just seems like my last experience as a "paying" passenger is more the norm than not.

I'd also love to see one of those Delta comment card things you speak of. I've been medallion level of some sort for the last 2 years and have yet to see one.

 

[dooork]

Who cares. Mesa is going to tank one way or another.

We care. You talk your BS...you get shown that you are wrong then say....who cares?

 

[CaribPilot]

We care. You talk your BS...you get shown that you are wrong then say....who cares?

Please use the search function, find where i "talked my BS", post the link to this BS, and show me how I am wrong. If you cant do this and you fail to find anything.....go take a long walk off a short bridge.

"Mesa Sucks" does not even begin to scratch the surface of the epic failure that Mesa is. They are undoubtedly the worst regional carrier flying, everything from work rules, to management practices, pay scales, maintenance quality, to the worst CEO in these here United States.

You know Mesa really does suck when older working pilots who don't even browse the internet much frequently say, "Mesa needs to go away". Lolllll

 

[CX880]

Here are the UAL/UAX stats for july 09 (the most recent I was able to find)

Avg Daily flights
1. OO 1,077
2. YV 348
3. S5 196
4. AX 182
5. G7 128
6. 9L 73
7. RP 51
UAX 2,041
UA 1,023

Adj. Completion
1. OO 99.6
2. RP 99.6
3. S5 99.5
4. AX 99.4
5. 9L 99.3
6. G7 99.3
7. YV 98.6
UAX 99.6
UA 99.2

D:O
1. RP 89.3
2. 9L 88.4
3. S5 87.6
4. G7 81.7
5. AX 78.9
6. OO 75.4
7. YV 74.3
UAX 78.0
UA 75.4

STAR Flights
1. RP 92.2
2. S5 91.0
3. 9L 88.4
4. G7 87.6
5. YV 85.1
6. AX 84.2
7. OO 84.2
UAX 85.7
UA 85.9

A:14
1. RP 94.3
2. S5 91.7
3. 9L 91.0
4. G7 89.5
5. AX 87.0
6. OO 86.9
7. YV 84.9
UAX 87.7
UA 88.0

Bags
1. OO 8.29
2. 9L 8.53
3. G7 11.6
4. S5 12.34
5. YV 13.11
6. AX 13.15
7. RP 19.11
UAX 13.15
UA 6.24

Yea and those numbers are with ACARS so no false numbers like with Airways!!

 

[Mike man]

Please explain to me how Acars impacts A-14 when the times are reported by Delta people?

Delta people don't call the times in to operations, the crews do...so a one or two minute delay or even 10, 20, 30 minutes can all be on time with a pen in the logbook, but with ACARS a one second delay is a delay.

Please explain to me how Acars impacts completion factor?

You can change the date in ACARS to show they flight completed on what ever day you want. Which you think would snowball and be a big deal eventually, but a repo flight here or there can keep the numbers down (for CX's) or up (for hight %'s)

Please explain to me how Acars impacts in flight service of frequest flyer perception of value?

Flight attendants filling them out using tickets left in seat back pockets...real names, real seats, real record locator...I have never, ever seen a passenger fill one of those stupid things out when they are happy and on time, only when they are upset and late.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Yea and those numbers are with ACARS so no false numbers like with Airways!!

What we here at AWAC have heard since starting USAirways flying back in 2006 is that Tempe is extremely pleased with our performance, especially in PHL, compared to the last operator (MESA). And that is with ACARS on our a/c. The only thing Parker has said he's not happy with is our cost.

Oh well, you get what you pay for, I guess.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[OPECJet]

What we here at AWAC have heard since starting USAirways flying back in 2006 is that Tempe is extremely pleased with our performance, especially in PHL, compared to the last operator (MESA). And that is with ACARS on our a/c. The only thing Parker has said he's not happy with is our cost.

Oh well, you get what you pay for, I guess.

Peace.

Rekks

Parker still wouldn't be happy if you guys were flying for free.

I can't tell you how many times I heard Mesa -900s calling off times other than actual when pushing back at CLT. That was when they first brought the 900s in there and parking them at C concourse. Couldn't complain too much, I only left late when I was pissed.

 

[79%N1]

There is no doubt Freedumb lies on times. I was sitting next to them in GSP, watched them close the door at :14 past, and call out "on time, on the hour"! We laughed our arses off on that one.

 

[rene]

I'll tell you this rene from a pax standpoint who knows what's up....

Last year I airlined home on UA flights ASE-DEN-BHM. ASE-DEN Skywest, DEN-BHM on you guys. The SkyWest crews, very professional, friendly, clean, well spoken, well groomed (I'm talking cabin crews here, flight crews are flight crews in my book). Cabin appearance? Clean, well lit, well maintained, very few wear scratches in the paint, appeared to be well maintained from a pax standpoint. In flight service? What you would expect on a short leg.

Mesa flight? Inbound aircraft late, went to Starbucks with the flight crew. Good guys, professional, not the spiky hair type. Cabin crew? One looked like she came out of the hood, the other had some definite porn star qualities. With a slight beer buzz, possibly doable. Neither were intelligable on the PA. Cabin appearance? Grimy. Hadn't been cleaned in God knows how long, I felt like I needed a shower halfway through that 2 hour hell. Loose fittings rattled like a baby toy during the taxi, brakes sounded like an overloaded 18 wheeler trying to stop in a gigantic litter box full of angry cats. In flight service? What I would have expected on the ASE-DEN leg. Very little, even fewer smiles. I might add the galley hag in the back kept the lav locked until a parent threatened to let his little boy piss in the galley. I thought that was pretty funny..... It wasn't MEL'ed either, just an FA who felt like it had to be locked if the seatbelt sign was on. Seems to be the norm on Mesa..

I'm no fan of SkyWest, but you guys have a long way to go before much in that "memo" is true. Nothing against Mesa crews. For many years they busted hump to get me to work and home. I've also run across more than one professional and well demeanored Mesa FA. Just seems like my last experience as a "paying" passenger is more the norm than not.

I'd also love to see one of those Delta comment card things you speak of. I've been medallion level of some sort for the last 2 years and have yet to see one.

Maybe you need a more recent observation? My point is that Mesa has changed for the better and changed dramatically fro the better within the last year.

 

[rene]

Delta people don't call the times in to operations, the crews do...so a one or two minute delay or even 10, 20, 30 minutes can all be on time with a pen in the logbook, but with ACARS a one second delay is a delay.



You can change the date in ACARS to show they flight completed on what ever day you want. Which you think would snowball and be a big deal eventually, but a repo flight here or there can keep the numbers down (for CX's) or up (for hight %'s)



Flight attendants filling them out using tickets left in seat back pockets...real names, real seats, real record locator...I have never, ever seen a passenger fill one of those stupid things out when they are happy and on time, only when they are upset and late.

Please trust me on this, NONE of these things are happening. Do you think for one second that if Delta thought we were cheating on any metric, particularly on metrics for which they pay incentives, that they wouldn't send an army of auditors to prove it and then run to court to get their money back?

Your accusations are off the mark and fall into the catageory of pure fantasy. The frequent flyer surveys are filled out on line after the frequent flyer signs into their account with a secure password.

Delta would just never accept an on time arrival if we were late.

 

[rene]

What we here at AWAC have heard since starting USAirways flying back in 2006 is that Tempe is extremely pleased with our performance, especially in PHL, compared to the last operator (MESA). And that is with ACARS on our a/c. The only thing Parker has said he's not happy with is our cost.

Oh well, you get what you pay for, I guess.

Peace.

Rekks

Here is a little problem with your post. Mesa was NOT the last operator in PHL for Airways.

Why don't we all just forget about the facts and just makeup whatever fantasy we want to create about Mesa. I am just one pilot and I am not very senior, and i see a very well run company at least on the operations side.

Please give us a break and quit the bashing.

 

[CX880]

i see a very well run company at least on the operations side.

Please give us a break and quit the bashing.

That's why you have Delta trying to get rid of you and UA already did with the 200s. Airways is next. You are the only mesa pilot that defends the place at least on the internet.