Merry Xmas from Avantair

[Texasskicker]

Well said, sir.

Conversation is an exercise of the mind; gossip is merely an exercise of the tongue.

I don’t think it has to be said here; “don’t believe everything you read”

I spoke to the owner about these very posts. The story I got is very different than the one that was posted. I find it incredible that the majority of you are commenting on these posts as if they were accurate. They are not.

It seems someone has taken some half truths and spun a great Christmas time story of Scrooge and How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Perhaps it too will become a classic.

Perhaps the person writing this fable has a hidden agenda. Or perhaps he does it because he is unable write one that inspires others to achieve.

Now I know that my post will not get the same attention that the other posts get because it will not incite the emotion that the other posts do. Those posts tear down, divide, and separate people. Those posts predict doom and gloom and perpetuate the sky is falling mentality. And that’s what makes the headlines.

Cornfed sounds as if he works for the NY Times or perhaps MSNBC on the side.

Imagine that: information posted on this fine board could be erroneous? Oh my word, how uncivilized! Even the remote possibility this could be true is completely repugnant and beyond belief, oh my! How ghastly a thought.

Hold on...hey honey, pass me the jug of whiskey will yaaa?????

Sorry about that...ah...AHEEMMM....where was I?

Oh yes, so you do believe cornfed may have gotten his story a little askew? Really, you think the email was not entitled "Merry X-mas." Well, I do find that a refreshing thought, what with the war on Christmas and all.

So you dont think they drove the cars into their reserved parking spots at the Essex County Airport, aka CDW? Yes, that must be absolutely true, because had they done so, the locals would have swooped in to place the cars up on blocks and strip them bare in no time flat. You know, those New Jersey neighborhoods are so uncivilized.

Anyway, I digress. I believe....BUURRRRRRP....excuse me. I believe you may be correct, sir.

Well done!

 

[netjetwife]

Aside from the question of the cars---

What we can rely on is Cornfed's assessment of how pilots are treated and compensated at Avantair. That many fractional pilots are not paid according to their skills and the contribution they make to the companies they fly for is undisputed. When pilots become tired of the situation and look at ways to improve their standing, why not offer them encouragement? What difference does it make how bad the situation is, if it is bad enough to warrant correction? The underpaid/overworked pilots and their families know when enough is enough. Anything else just adds fuel to the fire.

 

[Texasskicker]

Precicesly worded

What we can rely on is Cornfed's assessment of how pilots are treated and compensated at Avantair. That many fractional pilots are not paid according to their skills and the contribution they make to the companies they fly for is undisputed. When pilots become tired of the situation and look at ways to improve their standing, why not offer them encouragement? What difference does it make how bad the situation is, if it is bad enough to warrant correction? The underpaid/overworked pilots and their families know when enough is enough. Anything else just adds fuel to the fire.

And when this happens and its got you down, its time for..... No, not strong unions, but:

The good ol' boy system. It works great, man. I been usin it for years on my ranch. Heres what you do.

You get in real close with upper management. Be their friend, you know nobody else really wants to. Then volunteer for stuff. Start out little, like washin their car for em, or buy em lunch. Heck, take that buffalo sandwich outta the fridge and give it to him...yer wife wont find out. Then, after work, take em out for a beer and tell him some dirty jokes. Take em out to the noody bar on the weekends, get em likered up. Then, after a couple of months of slavin on extra projects for no extra pay, start pluggin im for details and information. You will become his buddy in no time.

Thats how ya do it.

The buddy system. Dont leave home without 'er.

 

[ilikecheese]

Nice to see that place hasn't changed since I left.

 

[HazMat]

What we can rely on is Cornfed's assessment of how pilots are treated and compensated at Avantair. That many fractional pilots are not paid according to their skills and the contribution they make to the companies they fly for is undisputed. When pilots become tired of the situation and look at ways to improve their standing, why not offer them encouragement? What difference does it make how bad the situation is, if it is bad enough to warrant correction? The underpaid/overworked pilots and their families know when enough is enough. Anything else just adds fuel to the fire.

Can we rely on that? Could Cornfed's assessment be a subjective?

Why is it the companies, the owners, the systems, fault that he isn't paid more and treated better? As if these entities were holding this man down, making him a slave, keeping him from realizing his own dreams. Are we not free? Free to choose where we work? Free to choose how much effort we put into our work?

You paint a picture that is full of clichés; one of battles between the haves and the have nots; of feudal systems, class warfare and slavery.

Is it easier to blame than to take responsibility. Is it easier to complain than it is to become a part of the solution.

I do not choose that for myself, will you?

 

[gunfyter]

We are also free to form UNIONS. Its the American way.

 

[Texasskicker]

American way is...

We are also free to form UNIONS. Its the American way.

Hey listen gunfyter. The Good Ol Boy network is THE American way. Its alot older than Unions, and its the best way to go.

Freedom is the American way. Unions the beginning of the "dumming down" of the American way.

 

[Texasskicker]

What in the....

You can always voice your opinion here: http://www.eespb.com/avantair.htm

I'm sure they'll be heard.....

Hyper is this for real? Can Avantair passengers narc on crewmembers ifin their etiquitte is not up to Palm Beach standards? Holey crap what in tarnation is this industry comin to?

 

[netjetwife]

Sure, Cornfed's report is subjective, but he is in a better position than an outsider to say what the work environment is at Avantair. Taking responsibility also means standing up for your rights to fair compensation and availing yourself of all avenues of making your demands known. And as far as effort goes, I think that it takes more effort to make improvements than it does to throw in the towel with a defeatist attitude. Organizing the pilots into a cohesive, unified group that makes the most of their leverage IS being part of a solution. Forcing a company to settle a labor dispute fairly so that everyone can focus on being productive and profitable IS a choice that I would make and one that I fully support.

 

[gunfyter]

Hey listen gunfyter. The Good Ol Boy network is THE American way. Its alot older than Unions, and its the best way to go.

Freedom is the American way. Unions the beginning of the "dumming down" of the American way.

Yes mastah, chattel slavery and sweat shops are older than Unions too....

How did getting rid of the union ramp guys work for Alaska... appears one of the Replacement workers dented an airplane with Ground Support Equipment.

SEATTLE (Dec. 29) - About 20 minutes after takeoff, passengers on Alaska Airlines Flight 536 to Burbank, Calif., felt their ears popping, then a loud noise shook the plane and oxygen masks dropped out of the ceiling as the plane descended suddenly.

"This was absolutely terrifying for a few minutes," said passenger Jeremy Hermanns, a pilot who was returning home from a holiday visit with his parents when the incident happened Monday. He took photos on the plane, including one of himself in an oxygen mask.

A foot-long hole in the fuselage of the MD-80 jet en route from Seattle had caused the plane to lose cabin pressure at an altitude of about 26,000 feet, authorities said. None of the 140 passengers or five crew members was hurt, Alaska Airlines spokeswoman Caroline Boren said.

The plane was quickly stabilized, but passengers spent 25 minutes tearful and anxious until a safe emergency landing at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.

The National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration were investigating, along with the airline and the Port of Seattle, which operates the airport.

"This was absolutely terrifying for a few minutes."
-Jeremy Hermanns, a pilot who was a passenger on the flight

A ramp worker acknowledged he failed to immediately report striking the plane at the gate Monday with a baggage cart or baggage-belt machine, NTSB spokesman Jim Struhsaker said. The worker told the agency that although the vehicle touched the plane, he was not aware he had dented it, Struhsaker said. (rrriiiiiight)

The bump created a crease in the plane's aluminum skin, which opened up into a 12- by 6-inch gash as the plane came under increased pressure, Struhsaker said.

The worker was employed by Menzies Aviation, a British company that Alaska contracts to provide baggage handling and other ramp services at Sea-Tac, Boren said.A Menzies Aviation spokesman, John Geddes, said Wednesday he had no immediate comment.

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Just the good ole boys....

 

[hyper]

Hyper is this for real? Can Avantair passengers narc on crewmembers ifin their etiquitte is not up to Palm Beach standards? Holey crap what in tarnation is this industry comin to?

Hey man, I didn't create that website....you see it with ur own eyes.

Now haz-mat....you joined in sept. (lurking since I assume) yet your ONLY 2 posts are to come to the defense of the avantair management. All whilst denying the accuracy of cornfed's claims yet not offering any details of the "different" story that you claim to have received from the owner. Could you be reflective of management's damage control? Just a guess but it sounds a little, well, like avantair.

 

[cornfed]

So I leave this story unattended for a day and look what happens. I get accused of being a doom and gloom, end of the world pilot.
Lets get out the facts.

FACT:I did not write the email in question. I was looking for input from other people from Avantair

FACT: I am trying to make the best out of working for Avantair. I like the people I work with but question the fact of why the pilots continue to be treated like 3 year olds and upper managment making up rules as they see fit.

FACT: When we are told the company needs to save money and cut costs but has extra cash to buy lavish gifts is not blaming anyone but stating a fact

FACT: I don't work for MSNBC or whoever else you claimed I work for

FACT: You dont work for Avantair Texasskicker

Maybe the pilots can prove a point by picking a day where we decide to have a sick out. Seems like winter time is a time when a lot of people get sick.

You know what here is a date when we should all be sick 3/15/2006

 

[HazMat]

Hey hyper, It is still a small company, we have probably flown together. I have seen a lot of changes since I got there. What about you?

The BS on here affects us all. Some one had to say something. Isn’t it funny how when you stand up for what you believe is right, there is always some one nearby to take a swing at you?

You have the same contacts I have, make a call or send an email. This is not the place for crap like that. It’s just unprofessional.

 

[HazMat]

Cornfed, the facts are you don't have your facts straight.

 

[hyper]

Hey hyper, It is still a small company, we have probably flown together. I have seen a lot of changes since I got there. What about you?

The BS on here affects us all. Some one had to say something. Isn’t it funny how when you stand up for what you believe is right, there is always some one nearby to take a swing at you?

You have the same contacts I have, make a call or send an email. This is not the place for crap like that. It’s just unprofessional.

Wasn't taking a swing at you and sorry if you felt that way. Just questioning your input when you offered nothing to the contrary.

I've noticed many changes. About the only positive one is no more 10, 12, 15 day tours......for no extra pay. Of course, that took people refusing to go out, or leaving the a/c after day 15 and going home to get.

You're right, it's all unprofessional, and it starts at the top.

 

[ilikecheese]

Cornfed, the facts are you don't have your facts straight.

mmmmmmmmm KOOL AID! :beer:

 

[hyper]

ilikecheese, Ya know, you have one of the best avantair sum-ups ever on a post last month....

"It's actually kinda of funny and kinda sad at the same time. They are so bad at keeping secrets but they try so hard."

That about sums it up......

 

[netjetwife]

So what ARE the facts?

Cornfed, the facts are you don't have your facts straight.

That being the case (in your opinion) why didn't you bother to set the facts straight, then? Very disingenuous of you, HazMat, but hardly original. Those of us who have posted here awhile are used to seeing posts with more accusations than evidence. Cornfed's post was informative and his FACTS reminded me of the legitimate complaints NJ pilots shared here last year. Your post, by comparison, was merely insulting and added nothing to the debate. The rest of us are trying to see the situation clearly. Please stop "muddying the water". NJW

 

[HazMat]

That being the case (in your opinion) why didn't you bother to set the facts straight, then? Very disingenuous of you, HazMat, but hardly original. Those of us who have posted here awhile are used to seeing posts with more accusations than evidence. Cornfed's post was informative and his FACTS reminded me of the legitimate complaints NJ pilots shared here last year. Your post, by comparison, was merely insulting and added nothing to the debate. The rest of us are trying to see the situation clearly. Please stop "muddying the water". NJW

I have heard the story. The story I heard is not the one being told. I choose to believe the story that was told to me by the man who told it to me. I didn’t take notes and my memory is not good enough that would want to document what I had heard. I would probably butcher it just as bad as the other guy. And what would be the point of that? More gossip. Like a bunch of little girls. (No offense to the little girls of this world).

The management here is accessible. The president is accessible. If I can get the story; then anyone at the company who really cares to, can get the story.

I find it disheartening that on this board there are people willing to believe anything written that is negative in nature with no proof at all. But to suggest that there is an error requires of the person reporting the error proof positive. Suddenly, I am the bad guy for saying there is an error. I become untrustworthy because I report, that, from my perspective, this is a great place to work. I will be the one labeled. I will be the one who will have derogatory remarks made of him. Interest, very interesting…

 

[ilikecheese]

The management here is accessible.

Yes they are. And they are also incompetent and lack any "management" skills whatsoever.