Meeting between FO and NJ.

[flyr4hire]

How about

the Flight Options 400s go to Net Jets and are managed as a separate fleet (subsidiary) to cover possible charters?

 

[sky4]

hawkercpt

hawkercpt, Your Idea makes the most sense.

 

[Live4flyng]

Heaven forbid the comany is doing ok and trying to look like the new company the two have formed, Flight Options LLC.

What is the dissolution date for Flight Options LLC? Just wondering, why you would put temp decals on a new paint scheme?

 

[ProFracPilot]

What is the dissolution date for Flight Options LLC? Just wondering, why you would put temp decals on a new paint scheme?

Cessna was putting "decals" as you call them on new airplanes for at least 10 years. We operated a Citation VII with mylar decals on it from the factory.

Perhaps it is more about keeping ones "options" open...with regards to a paint scheme, anyway.

 

[WileE]

Also, painting puts a plane out of the loop for quite a while and we've been pretty busy for a long time now. Maybe they are waiting for a lull in ops before putting a bunch of planes down voluntarily to create a uniform fleet.

 

[Live4flyng]

This rumor is looking like it just may come true. RTS was dropped off at FLOPS last week. I am seeing more and more airplanes painted white, the merger and scope language in the new TA favors the company. Ofcourse, I could have this all backwards, and NJA is selling everything to FLOPS. Maybe that is the reason for reserving all those tail numbers with the FAA. Something big is definately going to happen though.

 

[JetCapt69]

LX tail numbers

It has been confirmed that Options is the proud owner of 900+ LX registered tail numbers. Flt Ops doesn't need that many tail numbers with a current fleet of around 220 owner-owned aircraft. Seems pretty optimistic to think that we will grow to a fleet that size without a merger or acquistion.

 

[rettofly]

It has been confirmed that Options is the proud owner of 900+ LX registered tail numbers. Flt Ops doesn't need that many tail numbers with a current fleet of around 220 owner-owned aircraft. Seems pretty optimistic to think that we will grow to a fleet that size without a merger or acquistion.

If "LX" means "less cost", does anyone know the deal on the two generic Ultras recently at CMH with "CW"? Maybe it means "can't win"? Both a/c are registered to NJ Sales, Inc. Unit numbers are 5600261 and 5600293.

 

[Hawk Driver]

The two Ultra's painted in white are for sale, they are formerly N293QS and N305QS. They have reached their useful life and are for sale. Both planes were purchased aftermarket prior to being QS tail numbers, not bought from Cessna.


HD

 

[jetwash]

OK here are my 2 cents.

1. NJ and FO have aircraft that are getting old and have to replace them with new ones since that is what they sell their owners.
If they put them on the market some charter company will buy them and then charge NJ and Fo for charter work as if the aircraft were new.

2. FO and NJ form a new "Charter company" ( maybe LX?) each owning a share of their new 135 company that will do charter work for NJ and FO when needed. ( at a fair price per hour) It will also do charters for outsiders if the aircraft are not busy. This way NJ and FO can get rid of their old aircraft and still have access to them at a fair price when peak travel days arrive.

3. If NJ goes on strike the new "charter company" does the work for NJ since they are charters.


Lets face it in a few years there are going to be a lot of aircraft reaching their 5 year life span with NJ and FO and there has to be a place to get rid of them without taking a bath.




PS... LX stands for Lower expectations!!!

 

[NJAowner]

Lx??

And Wendy's, McDonald's and Burger King are forming a new venture too ... if the line is too long at lunch time at McD's, they will just get you a Whopper instead.

As George H.W. Bush used to say, "It's not, not, not, not gonna happen".

Fly safe.

 

[jetwash]

As a NJ owner you would be pi$$ed off if they sent you a FO aircraft just as a FO owner would be if they sent them a NJ aircraft.

By starting a new charter company they can tell the owners they had to "charter" an aircraft for them. 99% of the owners would not know who were the share holders of the 135 charter aircraft that came to pick them up.

This way NJ and FO could continue to compete against each other without putting their owners on the other companys aircraft. plus they have a supply of non union charter pilots ready when they might need them.

 

[FracCapt]

By starting a new charter company they can tell the owners they had to "charter" an aircraft for them. 99% of the owners would not know who were the share holders of the 135 charter aircraft that came to pick them up.

That wouldn't work if they are using LX tail numbers. A letter was sent to all FO owners stating that tail numbers will be changing to LX, and paint schemes will be changing when the aircraft is due for paint. At the very least, all the FO owners would know what's going on - and I'd be willing to bet many of the NJA owners are aware of this already.

I feel the 900 LX tail numbers is more of a gimmick than anything. We all know that Raytheon is dressing the pig for the butcher. To a prospective buyer, the fact that there are 900 reserved tail numbers may be a sign that the company is extremely confident in the ability of the company to grow by leaps and bounds. Of course, once they realize how slow the fractional industry really grows in terms of net aircraft per year, they will realize that is probably not the case.

 

[FracCapt]

If "LX" means "less cost", does anyone know the deal on the two generic Ultras recently at CMH with "CW"? Maybe it means "can't win"? Both a/c are registered to NJ Sales, Inc. Unit numbers are 5600261 and 5600293.

Either you are dyslexic, or I am....I ran a serial number search for those two, and they came up as N numbers 135WC and 131WC respectively. Check your facts next time.

 

[NJAowner]

Peak Days

I have not seen the FO list of peak days, but I owuld guess most are the same as NJA. Therefore, the charter company would not help on peak days.

And yes, I would not be happy with using the charter too often, just as I am not happy when I get it now.

 

[rettofly]

Either you are dyslexic, or I am....I ran a serial number search for those two, and they came up as N numbers 135WC and 131WC respectively. Check your facts next time.

I'm the one who's dyslexic. Good catch! No need to get hostile!

 

[NJACrewservicer]

"WC"

With the used aircraft sales being down due to market flooding post 9-11, Netjets had to come up with a way to get rid of their used aircraft for market value rather quickly. During the mid 90's, Honda was expierencing the same problem with their cars. Everything was coming back from 3 year leases and it flooded the used car market. Honda had to come up with a way to get the edge on used car sales. So, they decided to do the whole "certified pre-owned" concept with an "x" number of inspection points being accomplished etc. Netjets learned from this and decided to follow in their footsteps. Netjets went to Cessna to get the refurbish and extended warranties. (since they know Netjets MX records are clean) Now, Netjets can offer a used plane with all the goodies that come with a new aircraft, thus getting the edge.

After these 2 particular planes were finished, Cessna asked Netjets what they wanted the tail numbers to be. A representitive from Netjets said " I dunno.... 123 Who Cares". That's where the "WC" comes from. Just an FYI.

 

[Dep676]

Maybe Raytheon will buy US and merge us with Options. Thats why NJ needs to keep our pay in line with Options pay.

Now thats customer aquisition for Raytheon when all NJ customers renew into Raytheon airplanes!

And the recent addition of former Raytheon managers... We gotta know how todo things their way and transition...

I have seen the new pay scale for NJ and it is still lower than ours at Options for at least the first five years and then if I remember right it starts to even up. So I think that theory is wrong. Then again so could I except on the pay thing.

 

[waveoff]

Can anyone explain this???

Earlier this year in EWR I pulled up next to a King Air 200 on the ramp at Signature. It was white with black and red stripes just like the NetJets paint scheme. The tail number even ended in QS. The pilots were definitely NetJets pilots. I didn't get a chance to talk to them so I didn't get the scoop. Anyone care to fill me in?

 

[longrangekiller]

yes, NJA uses the king air 200 as a pilot shuttle craft. it is a QS aircraft.

 

[waveoff]

Ahhhh, I see.... We've been selling off our King Air's here at FO so there's probably no connection there. I'll believe all of this takeover talk when something actually happens.

 

[Live4flyng]

They must have painted that King Air, I thougt it was yellow. Those pilots ARE NOT NJA.

 

[FracCapt]

The only "Netjets" King Air I've ever seen was several years ago - and it was a managed aircraft(EJM).

 

[Pugnacious G]

No NetProps here

The yellow King Air AKA "That 70's Plane" was sold last year. It was operated by NJA but flown by non-union employees and flight instructors. Those guys now fly N310QS which is, of course, a bitchin' Cessna 310. The other King Air N200QS is operated by NJI pilots. If you look closely they even have the little Gulfstreams on their ties.

 

[Schrode]

I just saw a NJI CE750. Looks just like a NJA CE750. So much for the NJI guys flying G's. I wonder if their scope clause allows this, oops, that's right, no scope. The company can do what ever they want to these guys . . .

By the way, talked to the crew - they make more than our CE750 guys! But remember, there is no more money to pay our guys.

FO & NJ merge? Can not ever see it happen, but then I thought NJA would actually pay the pilots a salary that would be other than shameful.

 

[CaSyndrm]

"Ripped off" how do you figure. Charter rates don't rise just because a fractional is calling to cover a trip. There are reasons rates fluctuate a little but "ripped off", I don't believe you are qualified to make this determination.

 

[xrated]

I just saw a NJI CE750. Looks just like a NJA CE750. So much for the NJI guys flying G's. .

NJI has been flying a single X for well over four years now.

 

[old*art]

If a buyout happens it will happen - these CEOs don't know themselves till the deal is done, and even then it could fall apart at the last minute. Go enjoy life till you read about it in the WSJ.