Meeting between FO and NJ.

[JetCapt69]

please

Do you really think NetJets is going to run Options out of business?? LOL!! Options, like NetJets, has it's own little niche in the aviation industry. Santulli isn't GOD or ALLA, he doesn't eat the golden goose at Thanksgiving.

United, American, Continental, Southwest, etc. have all co-existed for decades. Netjets, like Options, is still young. New entries into the market like CitationShares will get and retain their own little niche in the market.

Funny how you think Options is a stomping ground for NetJets. That really cracked me up, keep em coming.

 

[Udonche]

Where in any of my remarks did you come up with the idea that I was saying NetJets is running Options out of business? The idea behind my comments, I thought were pretty straightforward. I am actually well aware that many fractional will co-exist and that the entire fractional industry is very young in terms of business but these companies are all competing remember. If anything is laughable it is the thought that Options and NetJets are sitting down and getting warm and fuzzy with each other.

As far your interpretation of what I said let me make it a bit more clear for you since you have apparently read way too far into my last post: I am well aware that Santulli is not God but you do have to recognize that he is the one that not only created NetJets but the entire concept of fractional aircraft ownership thus creating the industry. As far as the stomping ground remark it should have read more like this: ......... "And NetJets would like Options to be it's stomping ground. "

They are 2 different companies with very different marketing pitches. A combination of them would sell out many current NetJet owners and NetJets does not have the capital (unless Buffet gives it to them) to bring the Flight Options fleet up to NetJet owner standards. With NetJets barely breaking even in the books how would they pull somethig like that off? That’s all I was trying to say. As you noted, the industry is young, way to young for mergers that’s for sure!

PS. You need to relax a bit. Do you get that worked up often?

 

[JetCapt69]

NetJets wants to cut the feet out from under flight options. That’s one of the reasons they are bringing in the Hawker 400. What a slap in the face that is to Options!!! It’s business not candy land and Options is NetJets stomping ground.

Why not say what you mean?? I think it is quite clear what you meant. However, in response to your post, I found these statements above quite amusing. Notice the "LOL" and "Cracked me up" comments in my post.

BTW...calling me worked up is "cracking me up too:

 

[choppengruven]

bring the Flight Options fleet up to NetJet owner standards

Hey Udonche if you havent been told lately I'll remind you, Your a butt wipe

 

[Udonche]

And you are living proof that less than intelligent people can in fact fly airplanes thus disproving the theory that pilots are smart. You must be the guy in the bar that tells girls he's a pilot before he even tells them his name or asks theirs. By the way the phrase is "your are a butt wipe", not "you are AN butt wipe". I’m done with any moronic conversations here so don't expect a reply no matter how juvenile of a remark you come back with.

 

[35to1]

Origional qoute by Udonche.
By the way the phrase is "your are a butt wipe", not "you are AN butt wipe".
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Actually, "YOUR ARE a butt wipe" isn't correct either.

It should read "you're a butt wipe" or "you are a butt wipe".

 

[Live4flyng]

Sounds like there may be some merit to the rumor. The educated guess is that Raytheon will be offering it's owners contract renewals with NJA, since most are coming up for renewal this summer. Raytheon has said it wants out of the fractional business and it would make sense for the Hawker 800s and 400s to be sold to NJA along with the owners that renew the contracts. The rest of FLOPS will become its own company ending in LX tail numbers. Maybe that explains the 10 year maintenance contract and the $360 million airplane deal between Netjets and Raytheon. It could also explain why NJA has not been hiring and has plans to start this summer. Have to see how many owners renew their contracts before you go out and hire too many pilots, right? I smell a big deal in the making, but go ahead and prove me wrong.

 

[FracCapt]

Raytheon has said it wants out of the fractional business and it would make sense for the Hawker 800s and 400s to be sold to NJA along with the owners that renew the contracts. The rest of FLOPS will become its own company ending in LX tail numbers.

That would mean that the Flight Options management is pretty ambitious, since they reserved 749 tail numbers....just doesn't go along with your fairy tale there.

Hmmm....how about this.. Between NJA and FltOps there is not even 749 aircraft. Maybe FltOps reserved those tail numbers due to the plans to aquire all the owners and aircraft from NJA. Of course, since we are non-union, the pilots wouldn't be part of the deal..you know how we ALL feel about Unions.

 

[Live4flyng]

I know it can be a tough pill to swollow, but let's look at it another way. FLOPS reserved all these numbers, doesn't mean they have to use them. FLOPS has multiple airplanes around the country painted pure white, why would that be? NJA operates Hawker 800XPs and now 400XPs. Raytheon had/has 800XPs and BE400s. FLOPS buys used airplanes and refurbs them with new paint and interiors. NJA buys new airplanes. Why would NJA want the used fleet from FLOPS? NJA just signed a huge contract with Raytheon. Maybe in that contract there is language for NJA to take the original RTA owners into their program if so desired. By NJA purchasing the 400XPs, that leaves all options open for the existing owners in the BE400s. One more possibility, but pure speculation on my part; NJA sells it used airplanes to FLOPS, the reason for the 749 numbers.

Does LX=Less eXpensive.

 

[hawkercpt]

or maybe

they come up with our new paint scheme, Matterhorn white with three stripes, Gray, Teal, and Gold. They tail number change is to get away from the TA of travel air, and CW of Kenn Ricci's Corporate Wings. Heaven forbid the comany is doing ok and trying to look like the new company the two have formed, Flight Options LLC.

 

[flyr4hire]

How about

the Flight Options 400s go to Net Jets and are managed as a separate fleet (subsidiary) to cover possible charters?

 

[sky4]

hawkercpt

hawkercpt, Your Idea makes the most sense.

 

[Live4flyng]

Heaven forbid the comany is doing ok and trying to look like the new company the two have formed, Flight Options LLC.

What is the dissolution date for Flight Options LLC? Just wondering, why you would put temp decals on a new paint scheme?

 

[ProFracPilot]

What is the dissolution date for Flight Options LLC? Just wondering, why you would put temp decals on a new paint scheme?

Cessna was putting "decals" as you call them on new airplanes for at least 10 years. We operated a Citation VII with mylar decals on it from the factory.

Perhaps it is more about keeping ones "options" open...with regards to a paint scheme, anyway.

 

[WileE]

Also, painting puts a plane out of the loop for quite a while and we've been pretty busy for a long time now. Maybe they are waiting for a lull in ops before putting a bunch of planes down voluntarily to create a uniform fleet.

 

[Live4flyng]

This rumor is looking like it just may come true. RTS was dropped off at FLOPS last week. I am seeing more and more airplanes painted white, the merger and scope language in the new TA favors the company. Ofcourse, I could have this all backwards, and NJA is selling everything to FLOPS. Maybe that is the reason for reserving all those tail numbers with the FAA. Something big is definately going to happen though.

 

[JetCapt69]

LX tail numbers

It has been confirmed that Options is the proud owner of 900+ LX registered tail numbers. Flt Ops doesn't need that many tail numbers with a current fleet of around 220 owner-owned aircraft. Seems pretty optimistic to think that we will grow to a fleet that size without a merger or acquistion.

 

[rettofly]

It has been confirmed that Options is the proud owner of 900+ LX registered tail numbers. Flt Ops doesn't need that many tail numbers with a current fleet of around 220 owner-owned aircraft. Seems pretty optimistic to think that we will grow to a fleet that size without a merger or acquistion.

If "LX" means "less cost", does anyone know the deal on the two generic Ultras recently at CMH with "CW"? Maybe it means "can't win"? Both a/c are registered to NJ Sales, Inc. Unit numbers are 5600261 and 5600293.

 

[Hawk Driver]

The two Ultra's painted in white are for sale, they are formerly N293QS and N305QS. They have reached their useful life and are for sale. Both planes were purchased aftermarket prior to being QS tail numbers, not bought from Cessna.


HD

 

[jetwash]

OK here are my 2 cents.

1. NJ and FO have aircraft that are getting old and have to replace them with new ones since that is what they sell their owners.
If they put them on the market some charter company will buy them and then charge NJ and Fo for charter work as if the aircraft were new.

2. FO and NJ form a new "Charter company" ( maybe LX?) each owning a share of their new 135 company that will do charter work for NJ and FO when needed. ( at a fair price per hour) It will also do charters for outsiders if the aircraft are not busy. This way NJ and FO can get rid of their old aircraft and still have access to them at a fair price when peak travel days arrive.

3. If NJ goes on strike the new "charter company" does the work for NJ since they are charters.


Lets face it in a few years there are going to be a lot of aircraft reaching their 5 year life span with NJ and FO and there has to be a place to get rid of them without taking a bath.




PS... LX stands for Lower expectations!!!