Mediator calls UPS, Pilots to D.C. for talks.

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UPDATE 1-Mediator calls UPS, pilots to D.C. for talks
Tue Sep 6, 2005 01:56 PM ET



SAN FRANCISCO, Sept 6 (Reuters) - A federal mediator on Tuesday called for the resumption of contract talks between United Parcel Service Inc. (UPS.N: Quote, Profile, Research) and its pilots union, ending an indefinite recess.

Mediation between the world's largest package delivery company and its 2,500 pilots was put on an indefinite hold in June after the two sides failed to resolve their nearly 3-year-old contract dispute.

New talks were scheduled for Sept. 15 and 16 in Washington, D.C., the company and union said on Tuesday.

Contract talks have been overseen by the National Mediation Board, an independent government agency. Federal law prohibits the union from striking as long as mediation continues.

Last week, the union said its pilots had granted it authorization to call a strike. At the same time, the union, which is seeking improvements to health care, pension and job protection, said it was prepared to formally request to be released from mediation. UPS, the world's largest package delivery company, has called for mediation to continue, saying it has yet to make its best or final offer. The company says its pilots are among the best paid in the industry.
 

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Dav8tor said:
. . . <snip>. . saying it has yet to make its best or final offer. The company says its pilots are among the best paid in the industry.
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Dav8tor said:
UPS, the world's largest package delivery company, has called for mediation to continue, saying it has yet to make its best or final offer.

What exactly is holding up UPS in making a best or final offer. Maybe 4 years will be the charm.

And the mediator. Brilliant piece of work. "You guys shake hands and make up. All better now? Thanks for the check."

How about a mediator with some integrity. He might then say, "UPS, you bunch of bureacratic shoe clerks, get into the game or I'll personally order the pilots to strike on principle. Then I'll triple whatever pay raise you offer."
 

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Dav8tor said:
Mediation...was put on an indefinite hold in June after the two sides failed to resolve their nearly 3-year-old contract dispute.


That's the really pathetic part.

Organized labor is just a game to management. This pretty much is a perfect example.
 

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Delta and Northwest pilots are about to take a 20-25% pay hit on top of what they've already shouldered. What incentive does UPS have to pay you a big raise?

There are lots of guys that would cross a picket line to be able to jump into a brown UPS jet. Not me, but plenty of other greedsters.
 

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Baby Cakes said:
Delta and Northwest pilots are about to take a 20-25% pay hit on top of what they've already shouldered. What incentive does UPS have to pay you a big raise?

There are lots of guys that would cross a picket line to be able to jump into a brown UPS jet. Not me, but plenty of other greedsters.
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Baby Cakes said:
Delta and Northwest pilots are about to take a 20-25% pay hit on top of what they've already shouldered. What incentive does UPS have to pay you a big raise?

There are lots of guys that would cross a picket line to be able to jump into a brown UPS jet. Not me, but plenty of other greedsters.

Incentives for UPS to settle its pilot contract
1.) Continuation of record profits of nearly a billion dollars per quarter, much of which is tied directly to its airline.
2.) Settling the contract would allow UPS to get position in China/India, which is where all of the growth is going on.
3.) The UPS pilots (IPA) are the most united group in the industry and UPS knows it. UPS would be crippled during a pilot strike. Even if Scabs were hired the Teamsters would honor the strike. This is not NWA.

UPS is a very stong company making record profits from the work of its pilots. If the company was losing money and near bankruptcy the negotiations would be entirely different. WHy not compare UPS pilots with those at FedEx or ABX or SWA? A comparison to airlines losing money does not make sense in my opinion.
 

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But it's not FAIR for you guys to get a raise when the "real" airline pilots are having to take cuts. It's just not FAIR!
 

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But it's not FAIR for you guys to get a raise when the "real" airline pilots are having to take cuts. It's just not FAIR!



"Real" airline Pilots!

I love it.
 

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Baby Cakes said:
Delta and Northwest pilots are about to take a 20-25% pay hit on top of what they've already shouldered. What incentive does UPS have to pay you a big raise?

Um, maybe the fact they make 4 billion a year in profit....hello?!?!?!?!
 

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Baby Cakes said:
Delta and Northwest pilots are about to take a 20-25% pay hit on top of what they've already shouldered. What incentive does UPS have to pay you a big raise?

Because they can. That statement is not meant to be arrogant, but truthful. The company is extremely profitable and can afford to offer the pilot group a sizeable raise. Furthermore, it is time to start raising the bar once again. Instead of airline management showing the labor groups how much of a paycut Brand X just took, it is time for labor to show airline management how much of a raise someone else is getting and begin to move the bar upwards once again.

If somebody wants to make an argument for wages and concessions, you are barking up the wrong tree by trying to argue that everyone should take paycuts even at profitable companies. Instead, you should focus your attention on why so many people are willing to fly jets at incredibly low wages on routes that compete against what the legacy carriers used to fly. Instead of telling us box-heads that we should take a pay cut, tell the pilots at your competitors to start demanding pay increases.
 

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Thank you, Clyde.

I would have said it differently, but your diplomacy is admirable.

BC
 

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i am not an "airline" pilot. i am a pilot employed by a transportation company to move boxes from point to point. simply a cargo pilot-nothing more nothing less.

(if i were an "airline" pilot-first thing i would do is get an ipod, let my hair grow out--shaggy-doo style, get my college back-pack out of storage and work on my smile--"why yes, i AM the pilot")

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A couple of responses:

Posted by Pension "But it's not FAIR for you guys to get a raise when the "real" airline pilots are having to take cuts. It's just not FAIR!"

Sucks to be a "Real Airline Pilot"

"Just wait till the LCC's invade the cargo side!"

How much crap can you get into a RJ or a 737??? What is there Max range? Come again, I didnt hear your? Do you think you can you get to China or India in one of those A/C...
 

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BIGBROWNDC8 said:
A couple of responses:

Posted by Pension "But it's not FAIR for you guys to get a raise when the "real" airline pilots are having to take cuts. It's just not FAIR!"

Sucks to be a "Real Airline Pilot"

"Just wait till the LCC's invade the cargo side!"

How much crap can you get into a RJ or a 737??? What is there Max range? Come again, I didnt hear your? Do you think you can you get to China or India in one of those A/C...


No, but they will fly a 747 a whole lot cheaper than you will!
 

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ihaveapension"

you're purdy--ever spent time in lockup?

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No, but they will fly a 747 a whole lot cheaper than you will!

B-727/MD-11 ex mil? Must be FDX, but who's friggin side are you on?? Suspend your current economic/realist beliefs and get with the program.

My negotiating committee speaks for me.
 

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Flamebait guys, flamebait.

Hey Johnny, you need to do a show down Dixie Highway sometime, there's Camaros and Busch Light to be had by all!
 
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