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There's a 9 page thread over on USAviation.com about this very subject.
Apparently some clown named Chip (who happens to be running for ALPA rep at the LaGuardia crewbase) is now threatening the MidAtlantic pilots with a countersuit!!!
According to an MidAtlantic...er, I mean junior US Airways pilot... he has also distributed the names of the 270 pilots in the suit on a private message board called "Pilotaction.com", a personal blacklist of some sort.
It is an interesting thread and, I believe, an accurate model of what is doubtless the most disfunctional, disunified pilot group in the industry.
With respect to their junior pilots, a few US Airways pilots have apparently adopted a new motto: "I've got mine. Screw you"
Apparently some clown named Chip (who happens to be running for ALPA rep at the LaGuardia crewbase) is now threatening the MidAtlantic pilots with a countersuit!!!
According to an MidAtlantic...er, I mean junior US Airways pilot... he has also distributed the names of the 270 pilots in the suit on a private message board called "Pilotaction.com", a personal blacklist of some sort.
It is an interesting thread and, I believe, an accurate model of what is doubtless the most disfunctional, disunified pilot group in the industry.
With respect to their junior pilots, a few US Airways pilots have apparently adopted a new motto: "I've got mine. Screw you"
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Agreed.
The problem is in Herndon Virginia at a desk currently occupied by Duane Woerth. As long as ALPA continues down the road of enouraging the creation of competing alter ego airlines within the same brand, there will continue to be wars between the alter ego pilots who each feels an entitlement to the flying.
The answer is a union that fights for one list within the brand.
No more preferred airlines, no more "jets for jobs," no more predatory scope.
Duane Woerth's signature is on all of these contracts - he, and those who believe that there should be "preferred" pilots who are given special rights and representation over other pilots simply must go. If they are not marginalized, our union will be marginalized.
The NWA70 deal being negotiated as I write this will also end up in litigation - mark my words. This is not the way our union should be going.
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The problem is in Herndon Virginia at a desk currently occupied by Duane Woerth. As long as ALPA continues down the road of enouraging the creation of competing alter ego airlines within the same brand, there will continue to be wars between the alter ego pilots who each feels an entitlement to the flying.
The answer is a union that fights for one list within the brand.
No more preferred airlines, no more "jets for jobs," no more predatory scope.
Duane Woerth's signature is on all of these contracts - he, and those who believe that there should be "preferred" pilots who are given special rights and representation over other pilots simply must go. If they are not marginalized, our union will be marginalized.
The NWA70 deal being negotiated as I write this will also end up in litigation - mark my words. This is not the way our union should be going.
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just curious Fins, but how would you achieve on list within a brand? Do you really think ALPA could force a single list at Delta for example? You guys are not owned by Delta anymore, Skywest is non union, CHQ I don't think is even ALPA.
Should it have been that way long ago? Yes. But I really don't see how you accomplish it now.
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Yes, but you have to start walking in the direction you want to go. ASA and Comair should have been combined. ASA and Skywest should be combined. COEX and Continental, and there should be consolidation on the NWA property.michael707767 said:
ALPA needs to start fighting alter ego replacement airline seniority lists. If an airline wants to operate under different certificates - FINE - as long as they use pilots from "the" seniority list.
ALPA cannot undue 20 years of harm in a year, but ALPA could begin leading in the right direction. Otherwise the result will be sure death. A union divided is not a union at all.
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Pilots sue airlines and their union
By: Karen Ferrick-Roman - Times Staff
More than 230 pilots have filed a lawsuit against airlines and their
union, claiming they were scammed into thinking an airline existed
as a separate business when, instead, it was part of US Airways.
They are seeking $400 million in damages and back pay from the Air
Line Pilots Association, US Airways, America West, Republic Airways
and Republic's investment company, Wexford Capital.
The 85-page lawsuit was filed Friday in New York's Eastern District
Court by attorney Michael Haber of New York City, on behalf of about
75 percent of the 322 pilots flying for US Airways' regional
MidAtlantic Airways Division. The suit covers a range of
accusations, including breach of contract and duty of fair
representation; violation of the Railway Labor Act, which governs
airline labor pacts; and racketeering.
About 25 percent of MidAtlantic's 850 employees are based in
Pittsburgh, the airline has said, including pilots, flight
attendants, mechanics and supervisors. Pittsburgh was supposed to be
the headquarters for MidAtlantic, which was to operate separately
from the mainline airline, as PSA Airlines and Piedmont Airlines do.
That didn't happen.
The airline, Haber said, credited this new start-up with performing
wonders for the financially ailing company through the efficiencies
of flying smaller, 70-seat jets instead of the larger mainline fleet.
The union and company agreed MidAtlantic would hire some of the
1,800 laid-off US Airways mainline pilots, retaining their rights to
be recalled to a mainline job, Haber said.
"As it turns out, there was no MidAtlantic. ... It was never
anything except a name," Haber said. "These people were tricked into
thinking they worked for an entity that never existed."
MidAtlantic was recently sold to Republic Airlines.
US Airways re-released a prepared statement on MidAtlantic,
saying, "Our agreement with Republic ... is in full compliance with
our collective-bargaining agreements with ALPA (the Air Line Pilots
Association). This transaction was contemplated and agreed to by the
parties during negotiations on this issue."
No comment was available from ALPA or Republic.
MidAtlantic, the suit said, was operated under the same rules and
government certificate as the mainline.
Additionally, union leadership approved agreements that should have
been ratified by the members, the suit said. The union and airlines
camouflaged the fact that MidAtlantic was not a stand-alone company,
the suit said, and established a lower pay and benefit rate for
these pilots.
"Labor relations law means nothing if a pilot who was laid off can
be brought back at a lower wage," Haber said.
The $400 million in damages was arrived at by taking the number of
pilots involved, times the amount of their salary decrease
(generally, about half of the mainline wage) times the number of
years they would be employed, Haber said.
By: Karen Ferrick-Roman - Times Staff
More than 230 pilots have filed a lawsuit against airlines and their
union, claiming they were scammed into thinking an airline existed
as a separate business when, instead, it was part of US Airways.
They are seeking $400 million in damages and back pay from the Air
Line Pilots Association, US Airways, America West, Republic Airways
and Republic's investment company, Wexford Capital.
The 85-page lawsuit was filed Friday in New York's Eastern District
Court by attorney Michael Haber of New York City, on behalf of about
75 percent of the 322 pilots flying for US Airways' regional
MidAtlantic Airways Division. The suit covers a range of
accusations, including breach of contract and duty of fair
representation; violation of the Railway Labor Act, which governs
airline labor pacts; and racketeering.
About 25 percent of MidAtlantic's 850 employees are based in
Pittsburgh, the airline has said, including pilots, flight
attendants, mechanics and supervisors. Pittsburgh was supposed to be
the headquarters for MidAtlantic, which was to operate separately
from the mainline airline, as PSA Airlines and Piedmont Airlines do.
That didn't happen.
The airline, Haber said, credited this new start-up with performing
wonders for the financially ailing company through the efficiencies
of flying smaller, 70-seat jets instead of the larger mainline fleet.
The union and company agreed MidAtlantic would hire some of the
1,800 laid-off US Airways mainline pilots, retaining their rights to
be recalled to a mainline job, Haber said.
"As it turns out, there was no MidAtlantic. ... It was never
anything except a name," Haber said. "These people were tricked into
thinking they worked for an entity that never existed."
MidAtlantic was recently sold to Republic Airlines.
US Airways re-released a prepared statement on MidAtlantic,
saying, "Our agreement with Republic ... is in full compliance with
our collective-bargaining agreements with ALPA (the Air Line Pilots
Association). This transaction was contemplated and agreed to by the
parties during negotiations on this issue."
No comment was available from ALPA or Republic.
MidAtlantic, the suit said, was operated under the same rules and
government certificate as the mainline.
Additionally, union leadership approved agreements that should have
been ratified by the members, the suit said. The union and airlines
camouflaged the fact that MidAtlantic was not a stand-alone company,
the suit said, and established a lower pay and benefit rate for
these pilots.
"Labor relations law means nothing if a pilot who was laid off can
be brought back at a lower wage," Haber said.
The $400 million in damages was arrived at by taking the number of
pilots involved, times the amount of their salary decrease
(generally, about half of the mainline wage) times the number of
years they would be employed, Haber said.
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