McCain's son an airline pilot?

[jeroom]

I'm voting Republican only because McCain's running mate is hot.

She is so not hot.... She even said it herself!! "I'm a hockey, pistol wearing, fisherman mom" I love crabs, and bears fur!
Now is that sexy??

 

[makersmarc]

One question... do you want an ex-fighter pilot who believes in the free market/less taxes/less government involvement? Or would like a "Junior senator from IL" /communist who believes we're not smart enough to make our own decisions about; taxes, healthcare, schools, etc.. and believes the government is the only institution smart enough to make decisions for us. I don't know about you guys, maybe i'm going out on a limb here.. but if you've ever read the communist manifesto, it seriously sounds a lot like the democrat/socialist party's candidate's platform. Very scary.

Well put.

Another good book that would give good insight into what is happening with the radical left is "Masters of Deceit," by J.E. Hoover (probably related to Bob Hoover.)

 

[AC560]

Obama in two terms could not return our gov't and country to the corporate levels of the Reagan Admin... GWB has screwed us THAT MUCH!

Looks like he will have to call on his friend Bill Ayers and together they can bomb to the country into leftist paradise.

 

[DoinTime]

Gas was around 80-90 cents when Clinton took office in 1992.

That being said, I think both candidates are total crocks of sh!t that could care less about you and me.

Average gas price during the entire Clinton administration was $115.48. Average gas price during the Bush administration so far has been $208.20 (if current prices hold the average will be $215.42 by the end of his term). Speaking in terms of average prices have raced ahead at 5 times the rate of inflation under Bush.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/wrgp/mogas_history.html

The concept of gas prices going up with an Obama administration just because he is a democrat is complete crap. Both upcoming presidential candidates have reasonably sound short (less than 10 years) term energy plans. McCain does not have a long term clean/renewable energy plan.

The biggest difference is who will be able to execute their plans. Its doubtful that McCain will get much cooperation from the Democratic Congress.

 

[deadstick]

Let the daggers fly, but here it goes.

If DoinTime's post #20 is accurate, then what is good for our country might not be what is best for this industry.

I wanted McCain to win in 2000. If he had, there would not have been a plan to "do more with less." Today, after having one airline close up on me and getting furloughed from another a couple of months later, I still feel he is the best candidate.

I do not want my daughter and her generation to deal with this crap. What is done is done. Iraq and Afghanistan are issues that cannot be walked away from because the American people like their gas cheap and their conflicts quick, tidy, and out of their living rooms.

I have already lost my job (twice), and, with a 10% domestic capacity cut on the horizon, others will follow. As quickly as the industry grew in the last 5 years, this is not unexpected. Just look at the IT/dot com craze in the 90's.

If I have to change careers so that my daughter will have a better, safer country in which to live, so be it.

 

[DoinTime]

If DoinTime's post #20 is accurate, then what is good for our country might not be what is best for this industry.

Its clear that Obama is better for this industry but why do you make the assumption that Obama is bad for the country? Please elaborate.

Iraq and Afghanistan are issues that cannot be walked away from because the American people like their gas cheap and their conflicts quick, tidy, and out of their living rooms.

Every war that has ever been fought in Afghanistan has had to be "walked away from" at one point or another. Read up on how well the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan in recent history. Lasting peace and democracy has never prevailed in that part of the world. How much money do we pump into a lost cause?

 

[JustaNumber]

And Corporatism and Privatization of the State are not... something that GWB has been doing for 7 years!


Obama in two terms could not return our gov't and country to the corporate levels of the Reagan Admin... GWB has screwed us THAT MUCH!

I don't get it. You seem to think that corporations in and of themselves are not desirable? Does the government or does a corporation make your paycheck possible? Would you prefer the government to give you what you need? From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs? GOOD GRIEF, WHAT ARE THEY TEACHING IN SCHOOLS THESE DAYS?????

Why do you, personally, work for a corporation, if you have such radical viewpoints? Are you a hypocrite? Why don't you move to Russia?

 

[Tarzan]

Its clear that Obama is better for this industry but why do you make the assumption that Obama is bad for the country? Please elaborate.

He may better in some regards such as unions. I am not big on unions in this day and age. They have served their purpose. But there is one issue that stands out in my mind where he will not be.

He has already stated he would raise taxes on those who make $250K+. Companies are owned by individuals who pay taxes. American owned airlines (and any other company for that matter) with less discretionary cash on hand due to higher taxes thus will have less money to do the sorts of things that can grow a company.

So many have pointed out Obama being against foreign control or airlines. Do you think it may make it easier for foreign companies (with lower tax liabilities) to come into this market? Additionally, further restricting the amount of oil we can get into this country helps our jobs how?


Either way, we are all beating a dead horse. I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change my mind. However, those of you who believe that one man/ woman as president is going to change anything, sorely mistaken. No matter who is elected, it will be more of the same old stuff.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

There is nothing wrong with capitalism and corporatism. There is a problem with privatization of the state...

I don't get it. You seem to think that corporations in and of themselves are not desirable?

No they are fine to address consumer needs but not on large scale gov't needs.

Does the government or does a corporation make your paycheck possible?

Sure does. As I said, there is a place for everything, but what GWB has done in the last 7 years is appalling.

Would you prefer the government to give you what you need? From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs?

When we hand over our public space and our democratic process to corporations we no longer have civics and democracy.

Take a speeding or stoplight traffic camera. It is administered by the town but actually operated by a private company. This company actually earns its profits from the number of tickets it issues. Do you see the problem with this?

GOOD GRIEF, WHAT ARE THEY TEACHING IN SCHOOLS THESE DAYS?????

Charter schools are a big problem. Sure they sound good on paper... Corporations have been trying to get charter schools in many counties and town. When Katrina hit New Orleans the shock was tremendous... Quietly the entire public school system was replaced by private charter schools...

Why do you, personally, work for a corporation, if you have such radical viewpoints?

My viewpoints are not radical. The privatization our of gov't has taken on radical change. I don't like to see our public realms, civic areas and democracy handed over to corporations.

There are many who believe that everything the gov't does should be done by private companies. The gov't should only adminster the contracts and hand out truckloads of tax payer dollars. (which was basically done in Iraq. The US Military is simply a shell).

Do you agree with this?

Are you a hypocrite?

Are you educated?

Why don't you move to Russia?

Your mentality is part of the problem. Capitalism, corporations and privatization is not democracy. I am fighting for democracy and its awareness.

You are championing corporatism. There is no voting in corporations. As an employee you accept policy. As a consumer you accept policy. The average shareholder will never own enough stock to influence the BOD. This is all fine for selling consumer products and services... but it is not fine for controlling our gov't services and products such as schools, fire, police, medicare, prisons, social security, IRS, Boarder Patrol, ATF, etc....

Your thoughts?

 

[JustaNumber]

You are championing corporatism. There is no voting in corporations. As an employee you accept policy. As a consumer you accept policy. The average shareholder will never own enough stock to influence the BOD....

Your thoughts?

I challenge your assumptions.

Is democracy the ideal? Our founding fathers despised democracy, favoring a constitutional republic. Pure democracy is mob rule, hardly civil and hardly fair. A constitutional republic favors the rule of law, not perfect but the best system the world has seen so far.

This is all fine for selling consumer products and services... but it is not fine for controlling our gov't services and products such as schools, fire, police, medicare, prisons, social security, IRS, Boarder Patrol, ATF, etc....

"Our govt services and products..." I challenge your assuption that the government "owns" any products or services. Our constitution provides for the regulation of interstate commerce and for a common defense, but I keep looking and nowhere can I find it providing for a common retirement, education, healthcare, food, housing, etc. etc. etc.

Just as history has shown that our Constitution is the best one that mankind has yet devised, it has also shown that the fair application of a free market is the world's best system for creating the most wealth for the most citizens. I'm no rocket scientist, but just look around the world at different economic models that have been tried.

Furthermore, history has shown that the U.S. government is the world's worst system for actually providing anything beyond what was originally intended in the constitution. Can you provide me with one example to the contrary?

I say that Jefferson had things right, and that Marx had things wrong. Too bad our government schools (I rest my case) don't teach the application of more history and logic.

 

[deadstick]

Its clear that Obama is better for this industry but why do you make the assumption that Obama is bad for the country? Please elaborate.




Every war that has ever been fought in Afghanistan has had to be "walked away from" at one point or another. Read up on how well the Soviet Union did in Afghanistan in recent history. Lasting peace and democracy has never prevailed in that part of the world. How much money do we pump into a lost cause?

Certainly.

Obama is a first-term senator who spent the first 2 years saying he was not going to run for another office (I believe his words were something like “and honor my commitment to the people of IL”) and then spent the last 2 running for another office. He spent a lot of time in IL politics (I lived there and it stinks) and seems buddy-buddy with Boss Daley. On the national/international level, he's done....what? I think he's a pretty present to the dems who loathe GWB. The packaging is pretty (he is a good speaker and very charismatic), but the box is empty. To me, he comes across as pompous and deceiving. His Germany visit and his smoking (in an FDR wheelchair kind of way) are two examples of this. McCain has a temper. It’s a known fact. Is it bad? I bet McCain’s reaction to Tanzania and Kenya in August 1998 wouldn’t have been a few cruise missiles. Obama’s comments about Iran and Iraq defy logic. He gets guidance on the future of Iraq from unnamed military advisors and then blows off Patreaus -- the expert.

I sincerely believe that stability in Iraq and the Middle East will quell the escalating uncertainty in the US economy and energy prices. Fixing Iraq will help fix our economy.
On the second point, the Afghans stopped the Soviets with US aid. It was a US-USSR proxy war. The Soviets had free reign over Afghanistan because of air support for their ground forces. We gave the Mujahadin the Stinger, and the Hinds started to fall. The problem we face in Afghanistan is the opium trade. There is no “bad money” over there.
This is just my opinion (insert punch line here), and I certainly don’t have all the answers. I just feel that McCain is the right person to get our country back on track.

 

[pdub20s]

Certainly.

Obama is a first-term senator who spent the first 2 years saying he was not going to run for another office (I believe his words were something like “and honor my commitment to the people of IL”) and then spent the last 2 running for another office. He spent a lot of time in IL politics (I lived there and it stinks) and seems buddy-buddy with Boss Daley. On the national/international level, he's done....what? I think he's a pretty present to the dems who loathe GWB. The packaging is pretty (he is a good speaker and very charismatic), but the box is empty. To me, he comes across as pompous and deceiving. His Germany visit and his smoking (in an FDR wheelchair kind of way) are two examples of this. McCain has a temper. It’s a known fact. Is it bad? I bet McCain’s reaction to Tanzania and Kenya in August 1998 wouldn’t have been a few cruise missiles. Obama’s comments about Iran and Iraq defy logic. He gets guidance on the future of Iraq from unnamed military advisors and then blows off Patreaus -- the expert.

I sincerely believe that stability in Iraq and the Middle East will quell the escalating uncertainty in the US economy and energy prices. Fixing Iraq will help fix our economy.
On the second point, the Afghans stopped the Soviets with US aid. It was a US-USSR proxy war. The Soviets had free reign over Afghanistan because of air support for their ground forces. We gave the Mujahadin the Stinger, and the Hinds started to fall. The problem we face in Afghanistan is the opium trade. There is no “bad money” over there.
This is just my opinion (insert punch line here), and I certainly don’t have all the answers. I just feel that McCain is the right person to get our country back on track.

I'm sorry.. After reading this I almost threw up in my lap. You are right, there is somewhat of a cloud of mystery around Obama because he is "new to Washington". With McCain you know what he is about..The same ol republican/Bush tactics that put us in the predicament that the country is in. Voting with Bush 90% of the time!!! Remember the old saying? Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck...So It has to be a duck.

I watched some of his speech at the RNC. He did not lay out a plan on how he was going to fix things. If he couldn't beat Bush the last two times..That alone should say something. My deal is, if the same tired tactics this government is using are not working.. Then it is time for a CHANGE. And thats what Obama represents. He HAS the ability to inspire folks at home and abroad. He may be a little inexperience. But, he has displayed that he can surround himself with smart people and make good judgement when needed.This is what this country needs to rally itself out of the SLUMP the Bush/Republicans put us in. He can not fix this country alone. Thats why he has asked the American people to rally behind him and help fix Washinton.

It amazes me how a lot of people are willing to vote against their best interest.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I challenge your assumptions.

Is democracy the ideal? Our founding fathers despised democracy, favoring a constitutional republic. Pure democracy is mob rule, hardly civil and hardly fair. A constitutional republic favors the rule of law, not perfect but the best system the world has seen so far.

Similar to one passenger saying to another "Are you fearful to fly on airplanes?" Only to get such a reply: "We are not on an airplane, we are on a Boeing 737-500.

"Our govt services and products..." I challenge your assumption that the government "owns" any products or services. Our constitution provides for the regulation of interstate commerce and for a common defense, but I keep looking and nowhere can I find it providing for a common retirement, education, healthcare, food, housing, etc. etc. etc.

And of police, fire, EMS, voter registrar offices? There are many facets of the public domain that must remain so... to remove the democratic principles is UN American. To hand them over to corporations so that they may make a profit only yields elitism and exclusion.

Just as history has shown that our Constitution is the best one that mankind has yet devised, it has also shown that the fair application of a free market is the world's best system for creating the most wealth for the most citizens. I'm no rocket scientist, but just look around the world at different economic models that have been tried.

Keynesian economics is much better and provides for a better distribution of wealth for most citizens. What you are describing is laissez fare or Friedmanism economics, which is the privatization of the state.

Furthermore, history has shown that the U.S. government is the world's worst system for actually providing anything beyond what was originally intended in the constitution. Can you provide me with one example to the contrary?

The police and fire department.

I say that Jefferson had things right, and that Marx had things wrong. Too bad our government schools (I rest my case) don't teach the application of more history and logic.

Jefferson rejected the Central Bank and multi tiered credit system. One could argue that the IMF and World Bank are quite the same but for global economies whereas the FedReserve is the US central bank. The IMF and World Bank are too influenced by US foreign and/or economic policy...

Marxism is bad yes... but so is extreme capitalism, corny capitalism or disaster capitalism. They are all meant to take advantage of the average citizen, exploit him/her and line the pockets of a select few. In order to do this democracy or specifically for your needs, constitutional republic (or representative republic) must be eradicated. That is, for example, what the Patriot Act is all about...

reference

Consumed by Barber

and

Shock Doctrine by Klein

 

[deadstick]

I'm sorry.. After reading this I almost threw up in my lap.

Did you have the fish? :nuts:

With McCain you know what he is about..The same ol republican/Bush tactics that put us in the predicament that the country is in. Voting with Bush 90% of the time!!! Remember the old saying? Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, talks like a duck...So It has to be a duck.

I cannot agree with this. Candidates go to the extremes to get the nomination and back to the center to get the job. McCain's true colors were seen in 2000, and I think we'll see them again over the next 2 months.

There is a reason politics is one of two topics not mentioned in the flight deck. :bomb:

 

[pdub20s]

There is a reason politics is one of two topics not mentioned in the flight deck. :bomb:

agreed! Thats why let my Bag Sticker do the talking

 

[DoinTime]

McCain's true colors were seen in 2000, and I think we'll see them again over the next 2 months.

Considering that McCain could not even beat out a lame duck such as GWB (a man who had even less experience in national politics than Obama) in the 2000 primaries, what does that say about him?

 

[Hobit]

Considering that McCain could not even beat out a lame duck such as GWB (a man who had even less experience in national politics than Obama) in the 2000 primaries, what does that say about him?

Ummm.....One had a better 'PR' staff than the other?

 

[deadstick]

Considering that McCain could not even beat out a lame duck such as GWB (a man who had even less experience in national politics than Obama) in the 2000 primaries, what does that say about him?

A moderate, non-conformist Republican stood no chance against the Bush legacy machine.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Combined with the unethical and slime of Karl Rove which evangelical Christians love by the way...

"Hey, he maybe evil......but he is OUR evil architect"

 

[pipe]

At first glance dude, get a good look. I do agree, from a distance, fit and everything. But until you get her gear off, that is another story.

She's hotter than Dick Cheney.

PIPE