MaxBlast feeling the LUV!

[Parethd70]

He did engineer your ouster. You mad, bro?

 

[Phlintstone]

Max wasn't just some "numbers guy" bystander. He was manipulating the whole process, right down to who was in union office. Don't let him fool you.

You give Max too much credit. He just doesn't get the anger and rather than trying to understand it, he just goads folks into arguments. He is just being an a$$. Plain and simply.

While I do not disagree with him on everything, I will say I have zero respect for him. Heck, I'll have a beer with MJ, wave and red but I'd never even want to be at the same bar with max...even if he was buying.

Phred

 

[maxblast72]

Excuse me while I vomit. Trying to rewrite history right up to the end aren't you?

The "icing on the cake" is the massive seniority loss that you are about to get hit with, going back to right seat, not re-upgrading for 8-10 years and then when you do, being on Reserve with the worst RSV rules in the industry, taking a per hour block pay loss, and having to go from flying a fairly state of the art aircraft (717) to a piece of sh:t 737-300/500 all courtesy of your own shortsightedness, incompetence, and complete lack of understanding that nothing, absolutely NOTHING is more important than seniority.

I'm sure the SWAPA MC will be rolling out the red carpet to welcome back their best buddy.

I understand nothing is more important than seniority. You just aren't understanding that almost every pilot group overestimates the strength of their arbitration case. Why don't you go talk to the Continental Merger Committee.

 

[maxblast72]

Max wasn't just some "numbers guy" bystander. He was manipulating the whole process, right down to who was in union office. Don't let him fool you.

I was just clearing the way so the Merger Committee Chair and Vice Chair could do their job without some 30 year old know it all EVP interfering. The former Communication Chair turned MEC Chair was the lead man for the recall of Slick and Big Sis. I can't take credit for all "manipulating".

 

[PCL_128]

I understand nothing is more important than seniority. You just aren't understanding that almost every pilot group overestimates the strength of their arbitration case. Why don't you go talk to the Continental Merger Committee.

You mean the merger committee that basically made all of the same arguments that SWAPA was making? Yep, they are a great example of overestimating the strength of their case. And it would have turned out for SWAPA just how it turned out for them. You know, if you hadn't been involved and thrown up the white flag, that is.

 

[maxblast72]

You mean the merger committee that basically made all of the same arguments that SWAPA was making? Yep, they are a great example of overestimating the strength of their case. And it would have turned out for SWAPA just how it turned out for them. You know, if you hadn't been involved and thrown up the white flag, that is.

Yes, the United-Continental and Southwest-AirTran SLI arbitration cases were so similar:

"It became a marriage, if not quite of equals, at least of well-balanced parnters who filled each other's gaps to fram a new and stronger entity.

- from page 11 of the United/Continental SLI arbitration award"

"We are unpersuaded that this a merger of equals.

- from page 31 of a Southwest-AirTran SLI arbitration award"

"Additionally, the AirTran dispatchers, besides getting a windfall with pay and benefits, will also have the added benefit of joining a well established, financially solid Company where greater opportunities will be afforded.

- from page of 21 of a Southwest-AirTran SLI arbitration award"

Those quotes are all from NMB arbitrators. If NMB arbitrators don't view AirTran and Southwest as equals, how were the AirTran pilots going to get close to relative senioirity or even date of hire from an arbitration panel?

Remember what Nicolau said in 1990:

"That means arbitrators aren't bound by examples of other recent cases, and are instead free to shape an award that best fits the unique circumstances of that particular merger."

 

[waveflyer]

Good for you. Now good riddance.

So when are you transitioning P?

(Because we all know you will... Til delta calls after you've poisoned the well as much as you can)

 

[waveflyer]

Excuse me while I vomit. Trying to rewrite history right up to the end aren't you?

The "icing on the cake" is the massive seniority loss that you are about to get hit with, going back to right seat, not re-upgrading for 8-10 years and then when you do, being on Reserve with the worst RSV rules in the industry, taking a per hour block pay loss, and having to go from flying a fairly state of the art aircraft (717) to a piece of sh:t 737-300/500 all courtesy of your own shortsightedness, incompetence, and complete lack of understanding that nothing, absolutely NOTHING is more important than seniority.

I'm sure the SWAPA MC will be rolling out the red carpet to welcome back their best buddy.

I predict you'll eat those words in time...JMP

 

[waveflyer]

Max wasn't just some "numbers guy" bystander. He was manipulating the whole process, right down to who was in union office. Don't let him fool you.

And you're super credible in the "manipulating the process" department, right?

 

[redflyer65]

You give Max too much credit. He just doesn't get the anger and rather than trying to understand it, he just goads folks into arguments. He is just being an a$$. Plain and simply.

While I do not disagree with him on everything, I will say I have zero respect for him. Heck, I'll have a beer with MJ, wave andred but I'd never even want to be at the same bar with max...even if he was buying.

Phred

I be honored to have a beer together Phred. I get sucked into these BS debates, but in the end..look forward to making this place better with hopefully some growth. For everyone's sake.

200 to be hired on the bottom. Hopefully more to come with the international puzzle gets plugged into the SW system.

 

[slaquer5]

You mean the merger committee that basically made all of the same arguments that SWAPA was making? Yep, they are a great example of overestimating the strength of their case. And it would have turned out for SWAPA just how it turned out for them. You know, if you hadn't been involved and thrown up the white flag, that is.

You do relize ,we have a lot of pilots at SWA that feel the same way as you do . They feel SWAPA caved, and calls pilots like me ( the 84% ). a bunch pussies . There rants are non stop , as they feel they are correct. Just like you seem to feel.


I would love to see you and them together debate this . I would pay big money .

 

[PCL_128]

You do relize ,we have a lot of pilots at SWA that feel the same way as you do . They feel SWAPA caved, and calls pilots like me ( the 84% ). a bunch pussies . There rants are non stop , as they feel they are correct. Just like you seem to feel.


I would love to see you and them together debate this . I would pay big money .

Sounds enjoyable.

 

[PCL_128]

So when are you transitioning P?

(Because we all know you will... Til delta calls after you've poisoned the well as much as you can)

If you're so sure, why have you ignored my previous offers to put money on it? Come one, wave, $5,000 says I never transition to SWA. Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[waveflyer]

I haven't seen those man- haha

$5000 would require a whole lot more care about it than I have

We'll just see

 

[EngineThunder]

If you're so sure, why have you ignored my previous offers to put money on it? Come one, wave, $5,000 says I never transition to SWA. Put your money where your mouth is.

Trying to build up your PFT account again?

 

[PCL_128]

Trying to build up your PFT account again?

Coming from a Southwest pilot? Classic.

 

[waveflyer]

Bc we all know there's no difference between SWA and Gulf Stream, right?

You probably have a straight faced argument for why GS is better

 

[EngineThunder]

Coming from a Southwest pilot? Classic.

Swing and a miss. Never had to PFT or pay someone to sit right seat.

 

[PCL_128]

Bc we all know there's no difference between SWA and Gulf Stream, right?

You probably have a straight faced argument for why GS is better

Not at all. Gulfstream sucked. But since I don't see you or other SWA pilots admitting that it's wrong for your employer to require newhire pilots to buy a type rating, you don't exactly have a lot of credibility in complaining about PFT. Granted, it's not quite the same thing, but it is related.

 

[Double Shot]

When is your last day pcl?

 

[canyonblue]

You mean the merger committee that basically made all of the same arguments that SWAPA was making? Yep, they are a great example of overestimating the strength of their case. And it would have turned out for SWAPA just how it turned out for them. You know, if you hadn't been involved and thrown up the white flag, that is.

"I don't "hate" WN, it's just not a place I've ever wanted to work, and I don't think we'd do well in an acquisition situation."

-PCL_128
April 2008

Yeah, I'll keep bringing it up until you're gone from this forum for good. And don't give me that same crap about how much changed in two years, and at the announcement date Southwest had 547 planes while AirTran had 138.

 

[canyonblue]

When is your last day pcl?

It was September 27, 2010, the day his fast track career derailed.

 

[humveedriver]

150k a year to work 12 days a month. I betting he stays. It's almost free money.

 

[redflyer65]

The best entertainment would be if he were to fly with Steve Chase.

I'm thinking he might stay as well. All depends on how the real estate market is going.

 

[slaquer5]

If you're so sure, why have you ignored my previous offers to put money on it? Come one, wave, $5,000 says I never transition to SWA. Put your money where your mouth is.

PC


You need to step back and regroup your path. You are very passionate at whatever your involved in. That's great . But you are out of your mind if you do not transition over here.

Hell you could be on the BOD @ SWAPa. We can't even get someone to run for office in MDW.

 

[Cometman]

150k a year to work 12 days a month. I betting he stays. It's almost free money.

I am really surprised that anybody really thinks he will quit rather than come over to SWA. With his background and his resume he cannot go anywhere other than staying with SWA. You guys are stuck with him.

 

[waveflyer]

Not at all. Gulfstream sucked. But since I don't see you or other SWA pilots admitting that it's wrong for your employer to require newhire pilots to buy a type rating, you don't exactly have a lot of credibility in complaining about PFT. Granted, it's not quite the same thing, but it is related.

Because I don't think it's wrong

Can I say that clearer? I want pilots who are invested in the company - I want the ownership mentality in all employees-
You don't have to buy the type, but you need to figure it out.

And first year is better than any contract in the industry - the straight time rate is as high as anyone and better than most, but since extra fly is paid at year2 rates, I haven't met a first year pilot who makes less than $70k. Type mills will cost you between $5-8k -

So which is more wrong? Legacy wages paying $50/hour on guarantee turning that into $40k their first year, then getting a bump the second year? Or swa's type but easily making $70k.

I like seeing increased first year pay- bc we're doing the same job- but every airline still holds onto that tradition of making probation pay

 

[redflyer65]

I got hired without the type.

Got it done later with 5k, then deducted almost the whole thing off my taxes. The easiest $1500 I ever spent out of my own pocket. It was paid for in the first two months. The rest has been gravy.

Gulfstream was a simple way (open the checkbook) to keep from flight instructing.

It's one thing to even pay for training (10k dollar training bond, contract, etc), but to actually pay a company for the job is a bit different. I never could understand that aspect. You were paying someone to treat you like crap as a 1900 FO. Big, big difference.

 

[General Lee]

Because I don't think it's wrong

Can I say that clearer? I want pilots who are invested in the company - I want the ownership mentality in all employees-
You don't have to buy the type, but you need to figure it out.

And first year is better than any contract in the industry - the straight time rate is as high as anyone and better than most, but since extra fly is paid at year2 rates, I haven't met a first year pilot who makes less than $70k. Type mills will cost you between $5-8k -

So which is more wrong? Legacy wages paying $50/hour on guarantee turning that into $40k their first year, then getting a bump the second year? Or swa's type but easily making $70k.

I like seeing increased first year pay- bc we're doing the same job- but every airline still holds onto that tradition of making probation pay

Uhhhhh Wave, DL pays $66 an hour now, and I believe it will be $71 an hour next year for newhire pay. Second year pay can jump depending on what type plane you want to go to next (after 1 year seat hold for newhire). Throw in growth planes, huge retirement numbers, and not paying extra for a type rating, and that is hard to beat. Will your bottom 200 newhires be picking up open time if they live on the East Coast and have to commute to OAK? They may want to see their wife and kids a bit. And how long will they have to stay out West? They might have to move out there if stagnation continues. Did you factor in any of those?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bake]

C'mon general, nobody wants to see their wives.. Seriously.