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Master's degree and hiring?

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unreal

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Hi everybody,

I'm looking for some information about just how useful a Master's degree would be in getting a flying job down the line. Currently I'm a CFI and have some nice tuition benefits that are going to basically pay for a Master's. I have a Bachelor's at the moment, but people with Bachelor's degrees are a dime a dozen these days. Will a post-graduate degree give me a bit of an edge, or will I just be checking the same "I have a degree" box everyone else has?

For the record, the degree is a Master of Science in Management, with a concentration that has absolutely nothing to do with aviation (thank god).

Thanks!
 
Masters Degree

I think most would say a Masters Degree although a great credential, will not unnecessarily help you get a flying job, per se.
Having said that, I certainly think it looks great on a resume and if you have an opportunity to get one for free you would be foolish to pass it up.
I have mine, working on a second, no regrets!
 
If you've got the opportunity to get a Master's on someone else's dime, then by all means go for it. It won't do much towards getting you a flying job, but it will put you infinitely higher on the list of candidates for airline management if you want to go that route. It would also make an excellent "plan B" in case things get wierd in the industry again.
 
Good Lord! Look at the weather! Nobody could get through this tonight, and the serum must be here, or everybody will die! Thank heavens we have the one pilot on the staff with a master's degree to make the flight!

Lucky it was Bobby with the Master's degree in that one. Anybody else would have been killed!

Sir, our hydraulic fluid is gone, our bleed air has failed. We've lost our generators and inverters. I'm sick and we've both eaten the fish. Thank God you have a master's degree.

Ed, I can't figure this thing out. It's all screwed up. If we can't get this FMS up and running before our ETA, we're probably not going to make it. Luckily, you have a master's degree.

I don't know how much air goes in those tires. Go ask Pat. He's the one with the master's degree.

Robert, we would normally have had you wait the full three years to upgrade, just like anybody else. We realize you only have half the hours and no experience, but dang it man you have a master's degree. Welcome to command!

Frank, I can't take the stress. They've cut the pension fund, we're looking at two more hours delay for a mechanical, I hear rumors of a strike, and that phone call I got from my wife was her leaving me. With the goldfish. You have a master's degree. What should I do?

A master's degree is generally a prerequisite to teach. Not to fly. If you want a flying job, learn how to fly. A master's degree is not required to teach people how to fly. Do I care what kind of degree you have? Not in the slightest. Do I care if you can fly? Intensely. So does your boss.
 
For the record, the degree is a Master of Science in Management, with a concentration that has absolutely nothing to do with aviation (thank god).

Thanks!

As Avbug pointed out, the MS in Management probably isn't going to help you flying, BUT it is awful nice to have when the inevitable day comes that you can't or don't wish to continue flying for a living.
 
Thanks for the information everybody. I figured that it wouldn't help too much, but hey, anything to get my resume a second look I guess, eh?

Avbug: Thanks for the illustration, but the same things can be said about a Bachelor's degree. Airlines still like that as a prerequisite just the same, and I don't need to tell you that.
 
I don't think he asked if having a Master's would make him fly better. He asked if it would help him get a job down the line, all things being equal I think it would give you an edge.
 
Education is a wonderful thing. No one can take it away from you. Perhaps you could apply that money towards a program that completes with a Master and a PhD.

You can never have too much education and I think it will help smooth over other things that may raise issues during an interview by giving you extra points.

The purpose of an education is not only the pedagogical aspect of it where you are formally taught things and subsequently acquire the knowledge. It also demonstrates to an employer that you can dedication yourself to an endeavour and complete it to a certain acceptable level.
 
You can never have too much education and I think it will help smooth over other things that may raise issues during an interview by giving you extra points.

I've met a few folks who were a little too educated for their own good. I'm working with a few of them right now, come to think of it.

The purpose of an education is not only the pedagogical aspect of it

Ah, yeah, lessee. Pedagogical. Would that be the art of watching people walk, or selling sunglases. Those darn five dollar words. You educated guy are really something.

It also demonstrates to an employer that you can dedication yourself to an endeavour and complete it to a certain acceptable level.

Or that you have too much time on your hands and couldn't find anything productive to do.

Education is a wonderful thing.

Never make the mistake of equating education to learning, or attempting to correlate a degree with intelligence or wisdom. One is not necessarily the other. Education provides a degree, paper, and the accolades of letters beside one's name. Letters are a wonderful thing. Apparently.

No one can take it away from you.

Oh, yes they can! However, few would want to...because the only person to whom it's of any worth is the one holding the little piece of paper which as transformed them from a mere uneducated clot into the holder of a degree. Much like the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.

Wilbur, you slept with my daughter and ate my wife's fruitcake. I like you. Orville, you bought a type rating just for this job, and wore a blue suit. I like blue suits. This is going to be close. Wilbur, we both go to the same church and I saw you paying your last cent to orphans at the charity drive last thursday. I was impressed. Orville, I saw you feeding the orphans and giving them candied yams with your grandmother's heirloom fork. I was touched. Wilbur, I see the experience of your years creased into the lines of your face, as though you are a chiseled monument to flight. Orville, your first hundred hours took place while still in your mother's womb; flying is in your blood, son. This is a very hard choice. I can only hire one of you, and I love you both as my own sons. Wilbur, you hit three fly balls in a row, but Orville, you wear my wife's favorite cologne. Wilbur, you can recite all the presidents in order and say the Lord's prayer in French. Orville, you can make little animals from balloons. Gentlemen, it's close. Very close. What it comes down to is this. Orville has a masters degree, and I have to go with him. Wilbur, try not to let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
 
Wow, who knew avbug was so anti-education? I notice that with a lot of the older pilot types. I wonder why that is?

RichardRambone said:
How about getting an MBA in entrepeunership and bailing from flying as a career? Any thoughts?

I've done everything from waiting tables, selling cars, and pursuing ATC. In the end, I always missed flying airplanes. I'm where I want to be right now, but I'd love to get something like that in order to build a side business. Unfortunately I don't have the option of an MBA where I'm going.
 
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Bahhhh (hum)Avbug!

I've met a few folks who were a little too educated for their own good. I'm working with a few of them right now, come to think of it.

That's only your opinion of them as individuals. Are they making you feel less smart or insecure? I hope not. That's not what education is intended for.

Education has a different effect on people. A group of students sitting through a lecture will focus on different things. Their former experiences will help shape and interpret how they perceive and form understandings. How they apply this knowledge is up to them and is uniquely based upon their present paradigm. IOW, how someone understands and interprets knowledge will be dependant on how they view things at that moment. The interaction between knowledge presented and how it is absorbed into a persons mind will vary. That's why we all have opinions and viewpoints that vary. We all have had different experiences that will play a large role in how we process additional information.

What you're dealing with Mr. Avbug are not people who are too educated, but idiots in general. This my friend, is caused more by nurture and their life-long oversocialization by society, which is also quite varied from person to person.

Ah, yeah, lessee. Pedagogical. Would that be the art of watching people walk, or selling sunglases. Those darn five dollar words. You educated guy are really something.

Gee, sorry if this is a big word for you as you have clearly made it seem. It really isn't and people around me use it in casual conversation (maybe it has something to do with living in the "Big Apple"). I didn't mean to use a word that might make you feel belittled. Fortunately, we are blessed with an extensive vocabulary which can aid us in describing things more accurately. Should I dumb down my points so that YOU can understand them. If you grab a dictionary, you might learn a new word. The word was meant to encompass the rote aspect of education and how it's acquired thorough formal instruction. It says nothing of an individuals intellect. It's only a process.

Or that you have too much time on your hands and couldn't find anything productive to do.

That's one way of looking at school. I guess college graduates are a bunch of lazy guys without productivity on their mind. Unlike you of course. I'm sure you start your day off with a box of Wheaties - The Breakfast of Champions, such as yourself.

Never make the mistake of equating education to learning, or attempting to correlate a degree with intelligence or wisdom. One is not necessarily the other. Education provides a degree, paper, and the accolades of letters beside one's name. Letters are a wonderful thing. Apparently.

Surely you jest.

While it's true any moron can attain a degree with minimal effort, there are many others who feed heavily on the education process and learn something. Some even go on to change the world in a positive way. If great minds didn't receive the proper devlopment and fostering of their intellect through education, we might not have had a lot of important things in this world.

I WILL make the mistake of equating education to learning, simply because education is very close a synonym for learning. No one is telling you to believe that education will make you smart. It doesn't. Your intelligence or I.Q. is set at birth and can only get lower throughout life (if you let it). What you acquire along the way is called learning or education and serves to develop your experience which should lead to wisdom and some modicum of skill in your choosen field.


Oh, yes they can! However, few would want to...because the only person to whom it's of any worth is the one holding the little piece of paper which as transformed them from a mere uneducated clot into the holder of a degree. Much like the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz.

An education cannot be taken away from you. Don't confuse a piece of paper (a degree) with an education. An education is what has been absorbed into your mind. I would have thought you understood that much. Of course any material item such as a diploma can be taken away. Get real.


Wilbur, you slept with my daughter and ate my wife's fruitcake. I like you. Orville, you bought a type rating just for this job, and wore a blue suit. I like blue suits. This is going to be close. Wilbur, we both go to the same church and I saw you paying your last cent to orphans at the charity drive last thursday. I was impressed. Orville, I saw you feeding the orphans and giving them candied yams with your grandmother's heirloom fork. I was touched. Wilbur, I see the experience of your years creased into the lines of your face, as though you are a chiseled monument to flight. Orville, your first hundred hours took place while still in your mother's womb; flying is in your blood, son. This is a very hard choice. I can only hire one of you, and I love you both as my own sons. Wilbur, you hit three fly balls in a row, but Orville, you wear my wife's favorite cologne. Wilbur, you can recite all the presidents in order and say the Lord's prayer in French. Orville, you can make little animals from balloons. Gentlemen, it's close. Very close. What it comes down to is this. Orville has a masters degree, and I have to go with him. Wilbur, try not to let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

See, even in your silly little fabled mind, you see Orville came out on top! :rolleyes:
 
A Master's degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane; I found that after I got my master's my flying skills remained the same.
 
A Master's degree has nothing to do with flying an airplane; I found that after I got my master's my flying skills remained the same.

Of course it has nothing to do with improving one's flying skills. that goes without saying. Why does everyone equate this with flying.

A degree provides so much more in making a person more complete. It enriches and cultures you about the world around you. You even get to learn "big" words and impress Avbug over here.

It has more to do with being more of a human than a better pilot. Flying isn't everything folks. It's a big world out there.
 
Argh, that's two people now that have confused the aim of my question. Let me rephrase: Will a Master's degree set me apart from the competition and help me get hired? Example: If I've got 1000 total and 200 multi along with a master's degree, and another applicant has 1000 total and 200 multi with just a Bachelor's degree, will the Master's make a difference in hiring decision?

I'm not asking if a degree in Management is going to help my flying. I have my ratings and am building time and experience working as a CFI. That's going to help my flying. I'm more concerned with the hiring decisions going on, not stick-and-rudder capability.

Amish, I agree with you completely. Great replies.
 

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