Marine vs. 4 armed robbers

[JohnnyP]

.....

Good work. Now there are two less sacks of protoplasm I have to support through my own paycheck. Good riddens. Hopefully the other members will do something stupid soon. The touchy-feelie's will want to enforce some rehabilitation program for these kids, bull s***. Rehab my a**. Past history will prove that the cycle will repeat itself. Again, and again, and again. These kids would have continued to plague the system for the rest of their lives. It is a shame. And a side note, the kids went to Grady High School. Anyone else that has been around atlanta for more than a month will know that its no-friggen-suprise they came from that dump.

 

[pilotyip]

Reminds me of the incident at Ft Bragg back in 1996, where a solider went nuts and was hiding in the woods with his M-16 picking of fellow soldiers on the parade grounds. If I remember correctly he killed some people. Three Spec Forces guys were out on a run. They heard the shooing, and although they were unarmed and went in an took the guy out bare handed, they were unhurt. The shooter lived but was ruffed up.

 

[navigator72]

Wow... good job!

 

[Master Shake]

From a former USMC Corporal...well done Marine!

On a sidenote, someone mentioned earlier that Chesty was smiling on that Marine. It begs the philosophical question: in "military" heaven, do you think that Chesty Puller and Audie Murphy ever go rounds? You know, for kicks & giggles?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I swear, if some of you won the lottery you'd bitch about the taxes. You just can't let anything go without putting a negative spin on it.

Caveman-

Thats because the world is not black and white......

When the civilians fail at the negotitions table and send in the
marines there are losers on all sides...

While no one can speak for this Marine, except himself, I'd say he has problems if he is proud over this event.

Then again war seems to be natures way of controlling global population...

 

[Prop2Jet]

Kick ass sir!

 

[gringo]

While no one can speak for this Marine, except himself, I'd say he has problems if he is proud over this event.

I´m sorry, but exactly why shouldn´t this Marine be proud? He was jumped by 4 assailants, armed with knives AND guns, and he disabled all and neutralized one (in the Corps, neutralize means kill). Tough luck on the stupid SOB´s who decided to attack an apparently harmless victim- they learned the hard way.

This devil dog should be BEAMING with pride, not for killing some idiot, but for emerging victorious over an incident that would leave 99% of us either with soiled pants or worse, dead.

If you were in the same situation and weren´t proud of the outcome, then I´d say that YOU´VE got the problem.

Survival of the fittest- Darwin at his very best here.

Ooh-rah.

 

[Flyerjosh]

Gringo,

Have you ever killed somebody? It's not something that I would be PROUD about- regardless of the circumstance. Was he justified in doing, hell yeah. Did he clean up the gene pool because of it, better believe it.

Will he probably spend a few sleepless nights wondering if there was a better way of resolving the situation? I can only hope so. There's nothing boastful about taking another human's life- regardless of their transgressions.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Screw the attackers! They got off easy. If you cease to act in a civilized manner you abrogate your right to civilized treatment.

JOB WELL DONE in removing these scumbag predators. Unfortunately three of them are still wasting O2.

I hope the Marine is healthy both physically and mentally after his cleaning of the human gene pool. The cut on his hand is troubling if some of the dirtbags were bleeding too.

Thoughts for his health. Thanks for his actions and eventual safety.

I agree.
Those scumbags depend on their weapons for their strength. Their way of thinking is that if their intended victim appears to be unarmed, then that person is an easy target. Well not so in this case!!
I would have killed every one of them.
This story reminds me of the movie ConAir, where Nicholas Cage is only defending himself and winds up going to prision because he killed the attackers only in self defense.
I'm just glad the Marine wasn't charged or convicted of a crime.

 

[gringo]

Thankfully, no, I never had to kill someone. But having spent 4 years in the Corps myself, I was trained and prepared to do so. Would it suck? Maybe. I can tell you this, if my life, or my wife´s life was on the line, or my kids, Í wouldn´t hesitate to pull the trigger. Multiple times. (Big fan of overkill) And I doubt I´d feel too bad about it afterwards- probably lose some sleep over it, yeah, maybe for a night, but then I´d get over it.

There is a difference in murder, which I couldn´t do, and justifiable homicide, which is what this Marine did. And I´d like to think I wouln´t lose any sleep over a justified killing, ESPECIALLY if it was my life (or my family´s) on the line.

And exactly how else does one resolve the situation? 4 thugs jumped out of the car at him- there was no time to say `stop, stop! Let´s hold hands and sing kum-bay-yah and resolve this peacefully!` It was a split-second decision, and his apparently far superior training kicked in (he probably didn´t even realize it) and it was over before anyone knew what happend. I say he probably didn´t realize it, because in these situations, the training is designed to do just that- get you out or contain the situation without thought, just instincts. Which apparently this guy had plenty of.

 

[EMBATP]

the deadliest weapon in the world is a marine and his rifle....



or in this case, his bare hands...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This story reminds me of the movie ConAir, where Nicholas Cage is only defending himself and winds up going to prision because he killed the attackers only in self defense.
I'm just glad the Marine wasn't charged or convicted of a crime.

WOW.... comparing real life to Hollywood. Is this how we measure ourselves? With contrasts from Tinsletown?

These attackers were teenagers. For whatever reason they made bad choices and paid the price.

But lets keep it in perspective... they are civilians! Not organized trained military.

Many teenagers get caught up with the wrong crowd or make bad judgement calls and are lucky enough (unlike these kids) not to have to face the consequenses.... and when you are growing up...that is OK!

Hey- if these were terrorist that would be one thing... but American teenagers..... give yourselves a break......

If you embrace the Law of the Jungle...fine... but there is always someone who is better, stonger, faster and deadlier than you..... And you can't always control who comes after you....

 

[Midnight Flyer]

WOW.... comparing real life to Hollywood. Is this how we measure ourselves? With contrasts from Tinsletown?

These attackers were teenagers. For whatever reason they made bad choices and paid the price.

But lets keep it in perspective... they are civilians! Not organized trained military.

Many teenagers get caught up with the wrong crowd or make bad judgement calls and are lucky enough (unlike these kids) not to have to face the consequenses.... and when you are growing up...that is OK!

Hey- if these were terrorist that would be one thing... but American teenagers..... give yourselves a break......

If you embrace the Law of the Jungle...fine... but there is always someone who is better, stonger, faster and deadlier than you..... And you can't always control who comes after you....

First off, I only said that this situation reminded me of that movie, that's all.

Secondly, based on your comments, people like you contribute to why kids nowadays have no accountability and have the mindframe that they do not need to take responsibility for their actions.

Civilians vs. trained military? So what are you suggesting? That the victim should have faught back "half a$$" because he knew he was a trained fighter and his victims were teenagers? Whatever. You need to wake up and look around you. Some of the gangs and streetpunks are carrying automatic weapons and using vest penetrating ammo. But ooo, they're civilians; let's be easy on them.
If street punks thought that their victims actually had the ability to fight back, street crime would definately decrease. Trust me, muggers want the least amount of conflict.

If a person is able to do the crime, they should do the time; regardless.
Let me guess, you support Judge Kristine Cecava's decision to keep that 5ft child molestor out of prision because he was too short.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

First off, I only said that this situation reminded me of that movie, that's all. .

And I am saying that you compare reality with Hollywood..... that's all.

Secondly, based on your comments, people like you contribute to why kids nowadays have no accountability and have the mindframe that they do not need to take responsibility for their actions. .

You don't know me or my kids. And you are reading this all wrong. I didn't say the actions of the Marine were NOT justified. What I am saying is the message board responses are misaligned.

Cheering on a dead teenage girl is not cool.

Civilians vs. trained military? So what are you suggesting? That the victim should have faught back "half a$$" because he knew he was a trained fighter and his victims were teenagers? Whatever. You need to wake up and look around you. Some of the gangs and streetpunks are carrying automatic weapons and using vest penetrating ammo. But ooo, they're civilians; let's be easy on them.
If street punks thought that their victims actually had the ability to fight back, street crime would definately decrease. Trust me, muggers want the least amount of conflict. .

No, what I am suggesting is that you not feel so validated and glorious over a killing.

Look at it this way... what if the Marine just handed his wallet over? Then a girl doesn't die. I am not second guessing the Marine actions or choices cause I wan't there, but is a life worth a wallet? I don't think so... You?

If a person is able to do the crime, they should do the time; regardless.
Let me guess, you support Judge Kristine Cecava's decision to keep that 5ft child molestor out of prision because he was too short.

Let me guess.... you are a product of your environement. A respondant..

If some one yells at you, you yell back.

If someone treats you bad, you respond in kind....

If someone kills a teenage girl who commits a robbery, you cheer the victor...

 

[D'Angelo]

A life isnt worth a wallet, thats why you dont try to rob someone for one. You never know who your dealing with.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

And I am saying that you compare reality with Hollywood..... that's all.



You don't know me or my kids. And you are reading this all wrong. I didn't say the actions of the Marine were NOT justified. What I am saying is the message board responses are misaligned.

Cheering on a dead teenage girl is not cool.



No, what I am suggesting is that you not feel so validated and glorious over a killing.

Look at it this way... what if the Marine just handed his wallet over? Then a girl doesn't die. I am not second guessing the Marine actions or choices cause I wan't there, but is a life worth a wallet? I don't think so... You?



Let me guess.... you are a product of your environement. A respondant..

If some one yells at you, you yell back.

If someone treats you bad, you respond in kind....

If someone kills a teenage girl who commits a robbery, you cheer the victor...

Is a wallet worth a life? No, of course not. But as a human being, the attackee has a right, and even a duty to defend himself and not become a victim. Even though this girl probably didn't wake up that morning thinking she'd wind up getting killed, I'm willing to bet at some point, she had to have realized that when you attack another person, you put your own life on the line, and that was a risk she was willing to take.
You're looking at it from the simple standpoint of a wallet vs. a life. When you put it like that, well yeah, it's a no-brainer..hand over the wallet and everybody goes home safe.
But neither of us was there and we don't know 100% what happened, but I'm willing to bet the Marine was attacked first and then they tried to take the wallet from him. Street punks are mean people who not only get off on mugging people, but harming people just for the sake of harming them. At that point, he was defending himself, NOT trying to keep his wallet.

I can't speak for the other people reading this thread, but I personally am not glorious over a killing, no matter who it is but I will not hesitate to protect myself, family or an innocent person by using deadly force as a last resort, even if the attacker is a 16 year old girl.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Is a wallet worth a life? No, of course not.

I think we agree on more than not....

But as a human being, the attackee has a right, and even a duty to defend himself and not become a victim. .

More agreement...

Even though this girl probably didn't wake up that morning thinking she'd wind up getting killed, I'm willing to bet at some point, she had to have realized that when you attack another person, you put your own life on the line, and that was a risk she was willing to take..

Well, on this, I offer that she may have been too far over her head. She never realized the true consequences of her actions... this can happen if you are plagued with youth or immaturity...

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Well, on this, I offer that she may have been too far over her head. She never realized the true consequences of her actions... this can happen if you are plagued with youth or immaturity...

I hear you, but I still disagree on this part. What I'm getting out of what you're saying is that you're suggesting it's basically the immature shenanigans of typical youth, or just "kids being kids".
I'm not trying to disrespect your opinion or anything. I have a background in law enforcement, maybe that's why I have the opinion that I do regarding the whole thing. Part of the reason I got out was the fact that the law is flawed. I got tired of the "catch and release" way of doing things. (plus I missed flying )

Time and time again I've seen underage preditors hide behind the law with the belief that because they're minors, they'll either get off, get a lesser punishment, not be held to a contract, or whatever.

Do I want to see a young girl die? Heck No! But under the circumstance, this girl and her gang are predators and criminals. They have more than likely been getting away with this for a while. Finially it's caught up to them. I will loose no sleep over this one.

 

[LAZYB]

Rez

In Rez, one's character soars over psychedelic, abstract, futuristic vistas to the hypnotic beats of trance music. Wikipedia

Life, and choices, have consequences.

Bad choices, bad consequences.

Who should suffer the bad consequences? The one making a bad choice or a random individual?

How much should the random individual be willing to suffer and or sacrifice, to "protect" the doer of wrong from the consequences of his ignorance?

Maybe you need to move somewhere where the "state" can protect you, feed you, and nurture your "unique"/sameness along with the collective masses.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez
How much should the random individual be willing to suffer and or sacrifice, to "protect" the doer of wrong from the consequences of his ignorance?.

Still reading what you want? Got the LazyB glasses on so you can see the world the correct way.....

I never said the "kids" in this shouldn't have to face the consequneces of thier actions... alot of jail time is the right result....

I am saying consider how to respond to this event. I not sure a bunch of high fives and Marine Corp ughh-rahhs are the right way to go...

However, if the dead girl in this case was your sister, cousin, daughter, then you'd stand over her grave and say.... serves her right.....


You can advocate the Law of the Jungle all you want, but sooner or later someone will get you, cause there is no way you are the King of the Jungle...