Marine Aviation Question

[1stCivDiv]

T-44 = King Air

 

[AVDAD]

Thanks for the heads up. The Beach Turbo Prop I spoke of is the T-34 I believe and I have looked up the T-45. Now I am some what up to speed, I guess.

Thanks AvDad

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Good Choice

It sounds like your son has the right attitude - wanting to be a Marine aviator. Notice the order of the words; Marine first, aviator second. Not to be over zealous, but if you select the Marines and don't see it that way, you set yourself up for disappointment. The chances of being a "pilot" are probably better in the other services or guard. That being said, I would not trade ANYTHING for the opportunities I have been afforded in the USMC. From flying Hornets off the carrier at night to landing a Herk on goggles on a road in Iraq, the mission has always been the same - support the Marines on the ground. It has been a tremendous honor to serve with and for my fellow Marines.

S/F

 

[CCDiscoB]

I thought they retired the AV8B. What a POS. Do the Marines really need VTOL? So they can fly it off that one small flat top they have. The F-35 is years away and with the Marine requirement for VTOL it maybe even longer.

 

[Jafar]

I thought they retired the AV8B. What a POS. Do the Marines really need VTOL? So they can fly it off that one small flat top they have. The F-35 is years away and with the Marine requirement for VTOL it maybe even longer.

They haven't retired it yet, but they have crashed over half of them built. They'll run out before a V/STOL F-35 arrives on the scene. Harriers have killed over 50 Marine officers.

The Marines have been obsessed with this vertical business for years now. When has a vertical takeoff fixed wing aircraft ever proved decisive in battle? Don't bring up the Falklands, it doesn't count. If the Brits had real aircraft carriers they wouldn't have been using Harriers.

Osprey is another prime example. Many Marines dead, 30 years in the making and it still isn't fully operational.

Harriers were really good at waking those of us up that had the privilege of berthing right under the flight deck, but that's about all I can think of...

 

[SIG600]

Harriers were really good at waking those of us up that had the privilege of berthing right under the flight deck, but that's about all I can think of...

You think it's any quieter under a carrier flight deck? At least you didn't have arresting gear or catapults going off!!!

 

[Scrapdog]

You think it's any quieter under a carrier flight deck? At least you didn't have arresting gear or catapults going off!!!

Sig - maybe you guys can arm wrestle about who gets to spend more quality time with a bunch of dudes...a Navy flyer on a bo-at for 6 months in close quarters or a marine yelling "hooah" between every pronoun. Sounds like an interesting competition to me.

All in good fun my friend.

 

[Future SNA]

I'm hearing all this YAY FOR THE NAVY talk so I need to go ahead and throw a little common sense clause in here too:
% chance you get Jets in the Marine Corps if your NSS is over 52, right now and the forceable future = 95%

% chance you get Jets in the Navy if your NSS is over 52, very recently, about 40%

IMHO, the Marine Corps rewards excellence, the Navy rewards CNATRA with quotas met, w/o a litmus test.

 

[SIG600]

I'm hearing all this YAY FOR THE NAVY talk so I need to go ahead and throw a little common sense clause in here too:
% chance you get Jets in the Marine Corps if your NSS is over 52, right now and the forceable future = 95%

% chance you get Jets in the Navy if your NSS is over 52, very recently, about 40%

IMHO, the Marine Corps rewards excellence, the Navy rewards CNATRA with quotas met, w/o a litmus test.

You're f'ing kidding me right? The pendulum swings both ways, in both branches. Quit drinking the kool-aide, go study... tell J Dizzle I said hi.

Sig - maybe you guys can arm wrestle about who gets to spend more quality time with a bunch of dudes...a Navy flyer on a bo-at for 6 months in close quarters or a marine yelling "hooah" between every pronoun. Sounds like an interesting competition to me.

All in good fun my friend.

Small price to pay for the chance to actually see the action, and the world.

 

[Future SNA]

Okay, I agree Mr. Tact, Sir, that yes the pendulum does swing both ways, but I'll tell you this, I know like 15 Navy guys that have had 55-60 NSS' and haven't gotten J1 or J2 even though they put them first. Heck, I know a guy, in my Primary class, that got a 55, didn't even get one of his first FOUR choices.

On the flip side, I know NUMEROUS Marines that have had 52.1, 52.5, etc and get J1 or J2, but more importantly, I know Marines that have gotten 60, 67, 69 NSS' and command has gone to bat for them because they wanted helos, and guess what, in a time of EVERYBODY OVER 52 GETS JETS, they got helos.

Get past the YAY NAVY statement, and look at the facts, right now isn't how it was 10 years ago.

 

[Fblowjets]

sir sir sir, blah blah blah

 

[SIG600]

Get past the YAY NAVY statement, and look at the facts, right now isn't how it was 10 years ago.

Yup you're right... and anything going on now has ANY bearing with how things will be next year, better yet, next month.

Blanket statements like that are one of the many sources of bad gouge.

 

[Mongoose69]

V-22 control inceptors

V22 is considered as “Tilt Rotor”

I imagine that they should be able to count V22 in total time, but not sure on fixed-wing. It’s probably more on the helo side, considering you’re operating an aircraft with a cyclic and collective

Not that it really matters, but the V-22 has a throttle and stick/cyclic. The throttle is not at all like a collective, it slides in a fore/aft track and works just like a throttle. The stick changes between forward flight "stick", blended mode, and hover "cyclic" depending on airspeed and nacelle position.

Cheers,
Jason

 

[psysicx]

What is career progression like for a Marine Hornet Driver? I know the Navy spends a lot of time out of the cockpit.

 

[Doozer]

V-22 = powered lift category

 

[AVDAD]

As the Aviation World Turns Update

Second class Mid took advantage of Opinfo and was home for a week over Thanksgiving which was real cool. He got to fly with his brother and is now the owner on a Log Book and Dave Clark headset. Initial flight apparently went well with smiles all around. It was a beautiful day to fly, I stayed away. All I could do was make someone nervous. Over a Wild Turkey my Mid indicated that Aviation may be the choice.

Now, another question if you don't mind, which I plan to post in Airwarriors as well. Knowing what you know now, what might have you done differently? My brother-in-law, who is a retired Marine A-6 pilot, is kind of standing around waiting for the right opportunity to take advantage of 'you need to know this' kind of stuff but admits that it may be dated.

Any advise that you might want to pass on? FYI, by this time next year he will know what he will get choice wise. An earlier post stated to make sure it says jet. He will know slection week.

Thank you for all the great information,

AvDad

Proud father of a Regional Captain and USNA Mid

 

[Oh-ryan]

Second class Mid took advantage of Opinfo and was home for a week over Thanksgiving which was real cool. He got to fly with his brother and is now the owner on a Log Book and Dave Clark headset. Initial flight apparently went well with smiles all around. It was a beautiful day to fly, I stayed away. All I could do was make someone nervous. Over a Wild Turkey my Mid indicated that Aviation may be the choice.

Now, another question if you don't mind, which I plan to post in Airwarriors as well. Knowing what you know now, what might have you done differently? My brother-in-law, who is a retired Marine A-6 pilot, is kind of standing around waiting for the right opportunity to take advantage of 'you need to know this' kind of stuff but admits that it may be dated.

Any advise that you might want to pass on? FYI, by this time next year he will know what he will get choice wise. An earlier post stated to make sure it says jet. He will know slection week.

Thank you for all the great information,

AvDad

Proud father of a Regional Captain and USNA Mid

Not have bet the Giants to cover this past weekend against the Titans... and oh yeah, worn a condom that one time.

As far as aviation... wouldn't have done a thing differently. Chose P-3's 11 years ago and have not regretted it. Moved out of naval aviation since then, but it's all worked out fine.

 

[payola]

Marine Aviation =
F-18
AV8B harrier
T-34 for instruction
T2 Texan for instruction
T44 twin for instruction
C-130 Legacy as well as New J model
V-22 Osprey (helo transitions to Fixed wing)

What did I miss?

My future airframe-Prowlers. The T-6 is the Texan II, right now used mainly for training NFOs but also used at Vance AFB to train pilots. Like Zippy said, the T-45 is replacing the T-2 for pilots, but NFOs still train in the T-2.

At least that's how it was in TBS fifteen years ago, I have no idea if that's they way it works now. The theory was that you wouldn't have all your top performers in combat arms and aviation, and all the bottom feeders in combat service support.

It's still done in thirds with the quality spread in place, but not necessarily thirds of thirds. But now it's even more about what your SPC thinks you should get. There's some serious horsetrading done to get people put into the right jobs. I watched somebody go from his 21st to his 3rd choice because the SPC thought he would make a good infantry officer.

What is career progression like for a Marine Hornet Driver? I know the Navy spends a lot of time out of the cockpit.

Obviously flight school and FRS/FRS Refresher are flying. FAC, EWS, C&S, and Joint are non-flying billets.
http://www.usna.edu/Users/history/scallaha/USMC Officer Career Progression.htm

 

[Oh-ryan]

My future airframe-Prowlers. The T-6 is the Texan II, right now used mainly for training NFOs but also used at Vance AFB to train pilots. Like Zippy said, the T-45 is replacing the T-2 for pilots, but NFOs still train in the T-2.

Are the Marine's gonna eventually replace the Prowler with the EA-18G Growler like the Navy? That thing is not far from being operationally deployed from what I've read.

 

[payola]

We'll be sticking with the Prowler least until I retire. There is not one mention of the E/A-18 in AVPLAN 2005.

Not saying it won't happen, but I'll be long gone by the time it does.