Marine Aviation Question

[Fblowjets]

sir sir sir, blah blah blah

 

[SIG600]

Get past the YAY NAVY statement, and look at the facts, right now isn't how it was 10 years ago.

Yup you're right... and anything going on now has ANY bearing with how things will be next year, better yet, next month.

Blanket statements like that are one of the many sources of bad gouge.

 

[Mongoose69]

V-22 control inceptors

V22 is considered as “Tilt Rotor”

I imagine that they should be able to count V22 in total time, but not sure on fixed-wing. It’s probably more on the helo side, considering you’re operating an aircraft with a cyclic and collective

Not that it really matters, but the V-22 has a throttle and stick/cyclic. The throttle is not at all like a collective, it slides in a fore/aft track and works just like a throttle. The stick changes between forward flight "stick", blended mode, and hover "cyclic" depending on airspeed and nacelle position.

Cheers,
Jason

 

[psysicx]

What is career progression like for a Marine Hornet Driver? I know the Navy spends a lot of time out of the cockpit.

 

[Doozer]

V-22 = powered lift category

 

[AVDAD]

As the Aviation World Turns Update

Second class Mid took advantage of Opinfo and was home for a week over Thanksgiving which was real cool. He got to fly with his brother and is now the owner on a Log Book and Dave Clark headset. Initial flight apparently went well with smiles all around. It was a beautiful day to fly, I stayed away. All I could do was make someone nervous. Over a Wild Turkey my Mid indicated that Aviation may be the choice.

Now, another question if you don't mind, which I plan to post in Airwarriors as well. Knowing what you know now, what might have you done differently? My brother-in-law, who is a retired Marine A-6 pilot, is kind of standing around waiting for the right opportunity to take advantage of 'you need to know this' kind of stuff but admits that it may be dated.

Any advise that you might want to pass on? FYI, by this time next year he will know what he will get choice wise. An earlier post stated to make sure it says jet. He will know slection week.

Thank you for all the great information,

AvDad

Proud father of a Regional Captain and USNA Mid

 

[Oh-ryan]

Second class Mid took advantage of Opinfo and was home for a week over Thanksgiving which was real cool. He got to fly with his brother and is now the owner on a Log Book and Dave Clark headset. Initial flight apparently went well with smiles all around. It was a beautiful day to fly, I stayed away. All I could do was make someone nervous. Over a Wild Turkey my Mid indicated that Aviation may be the choice.

Now, another question if you don't mind, which I plan to post in Airwarriors as well. Knowing what you know now, what might have you done differently? My brother-in-law, who is a retired Marine A-6 pilot, is kind of standing around waiting for the right opportunity to take advantage of 'you need to know this' kind of stuff but admits that it may be dated.

Any advise that you might want to pass on? FYI, by this time next year he will know what he will get choice wise. An earlier post stated to make sure it says jet. He will know slection week.

Thank you for all the great information,

AvDad

Proud father of a Regional Captain and USNA Mid

Not have bet the Giants to cover this past weekend against the Titans... and oh yeah, worn a condom that one time.

As far as aviation... wouldn't have done a thing differently. Chose P-3's 11 years ago and have not regretted it. Moved out of naval aviation since then, but it's all worked out fine.

 

[payola]

Marine Aviation =
F-18
AV8B harrier
T-34 for instruction
T2 Texan for instruction
T44 twin for instruction
C-130 Legacy as well as New J model
V-22 Osprey (helo transitions to Fixed wing)

What did I miss?

My future airframe-Prowlers. The T-6 is the Texan II, right now used mainly for training NFOs but also used at Vance AFB to train pilots. Like Zippy said, the T-45 is replacing the T-2 for pilots, but NFOs still train in the T-2.

At least that's how it was in TBS fifteen years ago, I have no idea if that's they way it works now. The theory was that you wouldn't have all your top performers in combat arms and aviation, and all the bottom feeders in combat service support.

It's still done in thirds with the quality spread in place, but not necessarily thirds of thirds. But now it's even more about what your SPC thinks you should get. There's some serious horsetrading done to get people put into the right jobs. I watched somebody go from his 21st to his 3rd choice because the SPC thought he would make a good infantry officer.

What is career progression like for a Marine Hornet Driver? I know the Navy spends a lot of time out of the cockpit.

Obviously flight school and FRS/FRS Refresher are flying. FAC, EWS, C&S, and Joint are non-flying billets.
http://www.usna.edu/Users/history/scallaha/USMC Officer Career Progression.htm

 

[Oh-ryan]

My future airframe-Prowlers. The T-6 is the Texan II, right now used mainly for training NFOs but also used at Vance AFB to train pilots. Like Zippy said, the T-45 is replacing the T-2 for pilots, but NFOs still train in the T-2.

Are the Marine's gonna eventually replace the Prowler with the EA-18G Growler like the Navy? That thing is not far from being operationally deployed from what I've read.

 

[payola]

We'll be sticking with the Prowler least until I retire. There is not one mention of the E/A-18 in AVPLAN 2005.

Not saying it won't happen, but I'll be long gone by the time it does.

 

[Occam's Razor]

"Career progression" in the Marine Corps is not dependent upon your MOS. When there is a shortage in your MOS, you'll stay in a fleet billet. When there is a surplus (or a higher priority need) you'll find yourself filling in the gaps. With the exception of lawyers and a few other single-mission specialists (if you speak Farsi right now, you are a 2600, and ain't going nowhere else!) everybody is fair game for almost everything else.

That is one of the cool things about the Corps, and to a few that are unable to see the big picture, one of the most aggravating.

 

[AVDAD]

Thanks for the reply however I'm not sure if I understand the system here. Number two son is doing well at Canoe U, boat school or whatever. He has made up his mind to go USMC. He is trying aviation out to see if the gene has been retained. It was my perception from what has been discussed and discussed on the "parent boards" that since he is doing well he will probably get his first choice which may be Marine Aviation. If I read your post right you are saying that if the Marines need trivits then it doesn't matter what he "got" at USNA he's going to make trivits. Is this correct?

Thanks for all the information folks, I really appreciate the education.

Avdad

 

[727C47]

I miss the Corps , great reading all the above, former 0302, they didn't have LASIK back in '82 ! Best of luck to your son,Godspeed !

 

[skiddriver]

Thanks for the reply however I'm not sure if I understand the system here. Number two son is doing well at Canoe U, boat school or whatever. He has made up his mind to go USMC. He is trying aviation out to see if the gene has been retained. It was my perception from what has been discussed and discussed on the "parent boards" that since he is doing well he will probably get his first choice which may be Marine Aviation. If I read your post right you are saying that if the Marines need trivits then it doesn't matter what he "got" at USNA he's going to make trivits. Is this correct?

Thanks for all the information folks, I really appreciate the education.

Avdad

If he selects for Marine air and stays PQ then he will get a slot at flight school. If the training pipeline backs up, he may get a slot tour while he is waiting. His commitment starts at winging minus six-months for TBS, so waiting around does have a negative effect, but if he keeps his eyes and his ticker sound, he'll get his chance at flight school.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Do a lot of research

A little dated, but when I went through about a dozen years ago one could get a flight contract from the Marine Corps saying that following TBS, you were off to flight school. It was pretty solid. You did not have to "select" aviation while in TBS since you (and the USMC) knew where you were going. In TBS, there were only about 3 other slots for the other 200+ or so guys to fight over (not that everyone wanted to go fly, some wanted to keep their feet on the ground).

My commitment was 8 years after winging, however, the commitment term ebbs and flows based on manpower. No credit for TBS. I can't help but recommend jets to a young Marine, but I bet he'd love whatever he gets to fly. Feel free to PM me for more info. I'd much rather chat on the phone than type.

 

[Occam's Razor]

If I read your post right you are saying that if the Marines need trivits then it doesn't matter what he "got" at USNA he's going to make trivits. Is this correct.

My post addressed what happens after he's winged and in the Fleet. When a need arises for a body, the "every Marine a rifleman" axiom is executed. I chafed against it at first (sent to a USN squadron to get my LSO qual), but warmed to it (Air Officer for an infantry battalion) as I matured as a Marine officer.

The wisest Marine I ever met put it in perspective for me:

"Sometimes it's not who you are, what you are, or even how good you are...it's simply when you are."

 

[AVDAD]

This is going to be interesting!

Received a call from the future pilot Wednesday evening, it seems that he broke his left hand (middle finger metacarpal) while weight lifting. That should make holding the yoke interesting.

He did get the info on the career starter loan. any ideas in that area to pass on?

Have a great day and fly safe,

AvDad

 

[FlyingSkip]

Buy a porsche---that's what I did. Great training for flying something high performance, and hey...a couple years in he'll get married and drive a minivan so better to enjoy it while he can!

 

[SIG600]

If he's smart he won't take that loan at all. The 500 dollar payment for several years as a JO/student isn't worth blowing it all on something rediculous.

 

[flyboyike]

Question for everyone: an older friend of mine retired from the Navy just short of Captain some years ago. He was telling me that one of his duty assignments was flying a C-118 with an Air Force squadron. Does this sort of thing still happen? Also, how would one go about getting a C-40 gig?

 

[Oh-ryan]

Question for everyone: an older friend of mine retired from the Navy just short of Captain some years ago. He was telling me that one of his duty assignments was flying a C-118 with an Air Force squadron. Does this sort of thing still happen? Also, how would one go about getting a C-40 gig?

Don't know much about your C-118 question and I am not sure if you are referring to USAF C-40's or USN C-40's.

I know the USAF has a bunch of C-40's on the ramp at Andrews AFB. They belong to that Executive Transport Squadron (not sure what the official name of the squadron is, but I am sure some uppity zoomie will post 0.001 seconds after me with the name). They fly around politicians, state department officials, and DOD brass/VIPs.

The USN has a few C-40 squadrons that do less glamorous trash/people hauling missions There are a couple of squadrons at NAS Dallas, NAS Jacksonville and NAS San Diego. Last I heard is that the C-9's squadrons at NAS Norfolk and NAS Whidbey Isle will be transitioning to the C-40 shortly.

The only way into the USN squadrons (VR) is as a selective reservist (SELRES) or as a full time support (FTS). Most of the FTS guys are selected directly from the active USN. SELRES guys are your typical weekend warrior bubbas.