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MAN JUMPS TO DEATH FROM PLANE OVER EL CAJON

(03-30-2004) - A suicidal 88-year-old man on a flight chartered by his son as a birthday present jumped to his death from a biplane despite efforts by the pilot to restrain him, authorities said.

The man, identified by the county Medical Examiner's office today as Joseph Harold Frost of Carlsbad, climbed out of the dual-wing plane as it flew near Gillespie Field airport in El Cajon about 4:45 p.m. Monday, according to investigators.

Frost's body was severed as he struck a power line and landed on the enclosed patio of an apartment complex in the 300 block of East Bradley Avenue, San Diego sheriff's spokesman Chris Saunders said.

The man's plunge through the utility lines caused power outages to about 4,000 customers in the neighborhood, authorities said.

Several witnesses watched the man fall to his death, but no one on the ground was injured by Frost, Saunders said.

Frost, who celebrated his 88th birthday two days ago, was recently diagnosed with a tumor that was causing him to go blind, authorities said. His son chartered the flight as a birthday gift, Saunders said.

After the 30-minute flight over East County, the Steerman PT 17 plane headed back to Gillespie Field, piloted by Willis Allen, owner of Allen Airways Flying Museum, Saunders said. That was when Frost stood up in the front seat of the open plane and tried to jump, he said.

Allen told authorities that he argued and struggled with Frost to pull him back inside the plane, and even pitched the plane's nose up to force him to sit down, Saunders said.

But Frost was determined and managed to jump when the plane was about a half-mile from the airport and about 300 to 400 feet above the ground, Saunders said. He was killed on impact, Saunders said.

Allen landed the plane safely and reported the incident to sheriff's officials based at the airport, Saunders said.

linky dink
 
No doubt the snake lawyers will find a way to sue Boeing, the power company, the seatbelt manufacturer, the pilot, and every other 'deep pocket' they can find. Doesn't help that it happened in Kalifornia.
 
There's no such thing as gravity, the earth sucks.
 
Suicide by Stearman

This has got to suck for the pilot, I can only imagine how this will effect him. If the pilot is one of our members,.....My thoughts are with you. Don't let it get you down.

Seek counseling. One of my close relatives is a cop, and although he has never been on the shooting end of a "suicide by cop" event, he tells that they are told to seek counsel if it happens to them, even if they don't feel the immediate need. The same goes for railroad engineers. I live in a railroad town, and know that the engineer/conductors who experience a railroad crossing auto fatality need council after the event.

We're with you,
enigma
 
can you imagine, sitting in your apartment, hearing a loud THUD from the patio area... looking out, and seeing two halves of a body?! talk about trauma..
 
can you imagine, sitting in your apartment, hearing a loud THUD from the patio area... looking out, and seeing two halves of a body?! talk about trauma..
Just like a freaking pi·ña·ta.
 
FSB99 said:
can you imagine, sitting in your apartment, hearing a loud THUD from the patio area... looking out, and seeing two halves of a body?! talk about trauma..
That's what I wondered when I read it! That and the quote that noone on the ground was hurt! I know that this is tragic, but how would that news story read? "Man killed by lower torso of suicide jumper severed by powerlines."

*shudder*
 
I think that I'd rather hit the ground than get severed by a powerline. I would think that you would have a tendency to at least feel the "getting cut by the powerline part" a bit more than the impact with the ground.

Oh well... Darwinism at work yet again I suppose...
 
Just wait: the feds will nail the pilot for dropping objects... :rolleyes:
 
I think that I'd rather hit the ground than get severed by a powerline. I would think that you would have a tendency to at least feel the "getting cut by the powerline part" a bit more than the impact with the ground.

Oh well... Darwinism at work yet again I suppose...

I doubt he saw or felt it. As a skydiver I can imagine that he either had his eyes closed, was dead from heart attack by then or was unconcious.

You also have to factor in what 120 miles an hour in free fall is like without gogles on...your eyes tear up pretty good and you can't see nothing.

Plus, he was probably falling faster than 120 miles an hour since he didn't have a jumpsuit on...he didn't feel or see those lines striking him.
 
The clincher will be whether it's for one object or two....
I'm sure if you picked up the pieces and placed them in a grocery basket, you would not be able to check out in the "20 items or less" lane.
 
Sorry FN FAL, not a skydiver here. You may be right about the heart attack/unconscious thing. But personally, if given the choice of being severed or impacting the ground, I'm going with the latter.

And not only will the pilot get nailed for dropping objects, but he'll probably get nailed for not having passengers wearing seatbelts while landing.
 
Frost's body was severed as he struck a power line ...
Severed from what? Does this author understand what "severe" means?

transitive senses : to put or keep apart ; especially : to remove (as a part) by or as if by cutting
intransitive senses : to become separated

What was it severed from?

He was killed on impact, Saunders said.
It sounds to me like he was killed by being sliced in two by the power line. I doubt the impact mattered.

Ouch.
 
IRONIC?

FN FAL said:

You also have to factor in what 120 miles an hour in free fall is like without gogles on...your eyes tear up pretty good and you can't see nothing.

It sounds like he jumped due to the tumor in his head that was eventually going to render him blind, but jumping also can cause this.

Dooooh!
 
I was brought up to believe that suicide is both cowardly and selfish.

I don't want to argue the cowardly point here, but it sure as hell was selfish. Think about the trauma he put the pilot and his own son through. They will be emotionally scarred for life. The rest of the family probably ain't too thrilled about it either.
 
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FL000 said:
I was brought up to believe that suicide is both cowardly and selfish.

I dont' want to argue the cowardly point here, but it sure as hell was selfish. Think about the trauma he put the pilot and his own son through. They will be emotionally scarred for life. The rest of the family probably ain't too thrilled about it either.
Not to mention the person who's patio suddenly contained something that definitely wasn't BBQ
 
Boeing was obviously negligent in producing an aircraft whose flawed design allows suicidal people to exit the cockpit. The pilot is negligent also for not specifically instructing his passenger not to jump to his death.

I mean really, shouldn't there be a placard?

Humor aside, what an a$$hole. Totally selfish, irresponsible geezer without the common coutsesy to "off" himself discretely (Read that NO body) after leaving a note for his family to help ease their pain. Nope, let's traumatize several people, create a bunch of lawsuits, and spoil the fridge items of several thousand people. What a tool.

Rest in Pieces. :)
 
Rest in pieces?

LJDRVR said:
Rest in Pieces. :)
That was real sensitive - - very appropriate after raggin' on the guy for not making the same decisions you might have made in the same situation.

Terminal illness causes a tremendous amount of stress, and it's quite possible that this gentleman's faculty of judgment was somewhat impaired. You have characterized him as selfish and irresponsible, when it's quite possible that his motive was exactly the opposite: pure selfLESSness. (We'll never know, though, will we?)

Rather than endure, and cause his family to endure, a long battle with an ugly disease and rack up tremendous medical bills, he may have seen this as a quick way to put an end to it. He dies quickly, they pick up his body (I doubt he envisioned an encounter with a power line - what are the odds?), they bury him (they were going to have to bury him anyway) and they spend the money that's left behind rather than pay the hospitals and doctors. In that respect, his actions would remove a heavy burden from the loved ones he left behind. AND, he would depart this life doing something fun and exciting.

Shoot, he might have even seen farther than that - - he might have envisioned his estate suing the pilot, or the airplane manufacturer, or the seatbelt manufacturer, et al, for the wrongful death of himself and wind up making money for his estate. Again, this thought process could hardly be characterized as "selfish and irresponsible."

Again, I repeat, we have no way of knowing what his thoughts and motives were at the time he leapt. Let's not be so quick, then, to judge those motives. I am pretty certain he did not intend to dismember himself on a powerline and decorate someone's patio. Beyond that, we just cannot know. Apart from that incredible feat, none of us would have probably ever heard about the incident. He would have gone quietly and quickly.

Rest in peace.
 
Yeah, I just couldn't resist that pun....

You are of course correct, I fell victim to the ol' look at the situation from only your prospective trap, something I'm usually pretty good at avoiding. Of course that's what happens when you start typing without first engaging in some critical thought, which seems to be a pastime that many of us on this board seem to enjoy.:)

The sadest thing about this tragedy is that the victim didn't turn to his family for help. Maybe he did, we'll never know.

At any rate Tony, thanks for pointing out the nuances and possibilities to me, I however, stand by my first paragraph of mindless, sarcastic plaintiff's lawyer bashing.
 
'A suicidal 88-year-old man on a flight chartered by his son as a birthday present jumped to his death from a biplane despite efforts by the pilot to restrain him, authorities said. '


So does that make each half 44?? :eek:
 
"I think that was Dad's idea, to go out in a flash of glory," said Robert Frost, who had helped his father arrange the chartered flight on a biplane similar to the ones the elder Frost flew in World War II.

The man just wanted to choose his last flight himself.
 
Now, if he jumped from the a/c at a height of about 300 ft. or so, he really wouldn't have hit that power line going 120+ mph..........I would guess that maybe he reached half that speed........maybe?

Anyway, from what I've heard, pain signals from your brain travel about 120-130 mph, so if your killed while falling/traveling at speeds greater than that, you die instantly (and without pain). But this guy probably hit those power lines quite a bit slower, so you would probably expect him to feel some kind of pain even for a millisecond/instant.

I think I had heard that on some special about 9/11 and how those poor people who had jumped off the WTC picked up enough speed on the way down as to cause a pain-free death.

Kind of a stupid post, I guess, but interesting--in a sick, perverted way. Anyone, including skydivers, have any knowledge of the matter to confirm or contradict what I had heard?
 
Kind of a stupid post, I guess, but interesting--in a sick, perverted way. Anyone, including skydivers, have any knowledge of the matter to confirm or contradict what I had heard?
I had to go back up and read the article again, since I missed the part about his exit altitude. He had to have been going pretty fast by then. I doubt he made it all the way to terminal velocity, but he was probably pretty close.

As far as whether or not any skydivers felt pain when they suffered impact after hitting the ground at terminal, survey says...

I do know this much and not to change the subject, but most skydiving deaths do not occur because of double malfunctions or hitting the ground at terminal because of a chute failure or failure to initiate deployment. Which is a good thing.

It is sad, this story, but I think as you find people living longer in this age of better medicine and better lifestyles, you will see stories similar to this one increase. This suicide only made the papers because it happened out of an airplane and was sure to get readers to read it. Meanwhile, elderly people commiting suicide is not going to make any headlines.

Here's another thing you are bound to see an increase in besides just regular older people commiting suicide. Since prisons have quadrupled their populations since the 80's and prison costs have soared, you have this problem of convicts getting pushed out of prisons before their sentances are served because of their age and their cost to keep incarcerated. So they release this population of the prisons earlier...washing their hands of the geriatric prison population.

Someone who would have died of natural causes serving out their prison term gets thrust out into free society early...only to find no job, no house, no income and only by commiting a nice juicy crime such as bank robbery, molestation or murder, will they get themselves back into a nice cozy penal institution, where the assisted living home is free.

Looking at what is going on in the economy with the shifting of manufacturing jobs and tech jobs overseas, the forcasted bankruptcy of the Social Security system, the graying of the generation of people that were robbed of everything they had in retirements by this economic down turn of 9/11 and the Enrons of this country...I see more elderly suicide by the middle class and I see a increase in suicide and crimes commited by early release elderly convicts seen as too expensive to keep in incarceration.
 
vclean said:
No doubt the snake lawyers will find a way to sue Boeing, the power company, the seatbelt manufacturer, the pilot, and every other 'deep pocket' they can find. Doesn't help that it happened in Kalifornia.

No doubt George W. Bush's fault too.
 

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