Man has had enough... strip search time.

[ShawnC]

Agitated Man Exposes Self At Airport Checkpoint
Man Arrested After Dropping Pants
Posted: 3:40 p.m. EDT July 10, 2002
Updated: 3:50 p.m. EDT July 10, 2002

MIAMI -- A 62-year-old man was arrested at Miami International Airport Tuesday after he dropped his pants and exposed himself when he became agitated over the thoroughness at a checkpoint.
Police said that one of the airport security screeners asked Marc Danselme to turn his belt over. They said that's when Danselme became irate and dropped his pants with the comment: "Is this good enough?''

Other people including some children were present.

Danselme is a French national who lives in Washington, D.C.

He was arrested Tuesday and charged with prohibitive conduct.
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I feel this guys pain. Anyone at MIA when his happened?

 

[capt_zman]

What pain do you feel? Flip the belt buckle and move on, just like the 10 million before you did.

If I was standing there with my kids, I would have beat his ass. Please tell me you don't agree with this idiot.

 

[boscenter]

I actually do agree with the 'idiot.' This random screening is bull sh*t.

Unless you're going to screen everybody, what's the point??? How many terrorists could have walked by while this dude was getting raped by security...

 

[ShawnC]

I agree with him that security overall is pointlessly obsurd. On my most recent flight there was a woman wearing these little tiny open high heels, the screeners asked for them to be put though the machine, these heels were barely big enough to hold the weight let alone contain something.

Also during that same flight I was carrying professional film (Velvia 50), I asked for a hand inspection. Even though I had a copy of the currest TSA regs that say that they must hand inspect my film, I had to wait there for a "manager" to come and verify. Then they grudgely did it.

Also in those regs there say that there must be signs that tell people that they can ask for a hand inspection of film.

I think that if you are going to uphold those regs you are expected to follow them yourself.

 

[capt_zman]

Everyone has to go through it, so I guess you're trying to say that it's OK to drop your pants and act like an jerk because you don't like it. Grow up.

ShawnC, don't get the last post. Enlighten me

 

[ShawnC]

Basically I was saying that if ones going to uphold the regs they must obey them in the first place.

I have many time seen where the people don't know the regs, and plainly come out and say that, or they say that the regs are "secret."

 

[TMMT]

I agree… random screenings are bovine scatology at best.

Recently a fellow pilot and myself had the “opportunity” to be screened by SFO security because we were carrying our flight cases as carry ons and nothing else. We were in civvies, on a one way out of SFO for LAX going home, of course Harry Callahan had to make us produce our quote, “pilot credentials” just so I could lug 30 pounds of Jepp charts on a UAL 737 into LA.

I’ve never seen not once a random screening of an Arab male age 18 to 35, especially if he’s done up in their usual cultural garb, also saw about two months ago a “Muslim” woman at the Air France counter in full “hood and robe”… wonder if she was asked to submit to the anal cavity probe?

It’s PC BS plain and simple.

The only folks being subject to this crap is old ladies, white middle-aged American businessmen and flight crews.

TMMT

 

[Tri-holer]

How about some good old-fashioned "profiling". And tell the ACLU where to stick it.

I am tired of seeing 70 year old men getting stripsearched because their pacemaker is confusing the screener while any number of persons who fit the profile (18-35 year old, middle-eastern male) walk right by.

Civil rights? Post a notice at the front door of the airport. "Security methods in use at this airport include the use of profiling. If you are uncomfortable with this, a bus is probably going your way."

My .02

 

[Ty Webb]

Sorry, Capt Z-Man, but when you suggest that every one should just tolerate the absurdity of the current process simply because "a million other people have, too", you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

The security screening is devoid of any common sense, and although this guy's response was a little "over-the-top" I can definitely agree with his sense of frustration.

I have had it with shaking down old ladies in wheelchairs and mothers with five children, only to avoid seeming politically incorrect. I have had it with, as part of an entire flight crew, watching flight attendents personally known to me being patted down and their shoes x-rayed. I have had it with being inspected for contraband, to make sure I don't gain access to a cockpit that I am already granted access to.

I don't mind the security, what I do mind is the lack of common sense being applied.

 

[Hovernut]

Geriatric Strip-Searches

How about that poor 80 year old lady in Iowa getting strip-searched because the screeners could'nt use common sense with people who have knee and hip replacements setting off the wand! O'Reilly had her on his program tonight to give her account. The madness has to stop or people are going to find other ways to travel, hurting our business!

Let's learn a lesson from the pros at El-Al.

 

[SnowBoardBum]

Capt _zman you said "If I was standing there with my kids, I would have beat his ass."

Maybe you should grow-up. Being as your an example to your kids, beating someones ass would be just as bad exposing one self if not worse.


Bum

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Makes you wonder when the public will say enough is enough like the guy in MIA (even though he "said" it in an odd way)? While passenger traffic is down it would be interesting to see how much of it is due to the hassles of going through security. I would think if people are avoiding the airlines because of this that the airlines would try to put some pressure on the government to be more selective in who they screen.
I speculate some of the higher level business travelers won't put up with this and will go charter instead. In the meantime, as long as law abiding citizens continue to put up with being treated like criminals from our government, and the airlines are OK with it, nothing probably will be done. The airlines and/or the government has suggested for frequent flyers to come up with some type of smart ID. This probably would include vitals like SSN, finger prints, etc. If that's the case, then the guy who dropped his pants is already ahead of the big brother game!
Peace and safety at any costs!

 

[ILS JNKY]

Strip search

Well, the more i continue to read this board and what is posted here, the more I think da glad that i have a pilots lic.

I once saw where a captian was searced , the sicurity girl ran her fingers through his hair and he had a flat top hair cut.


Well got to fly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[ShawnC]

Myself I would rather take a train, or drive to most places, when I can't fly myself. I left at 4am for the North East I got in the area around 10pm. Taking into account traffic around the airports, arriving early for the flight, delays, and such. I arrived at the same time.

It cost me about the same I got to carry all my stuff, and didn't have to submit it to x-ray or other forms of screening. Tell me where's the convinence in flying when I can drive there just as fast?

The public is noticing and responding by flying less and less. Business people still need to fly to most locations, but ma and pa with here three kids can drive there cheapers and in many regional cases as fast.

 

[rumpletumbler]

I watched about a 30 minute deal on El-Al the other day (can't recall the channel maybe Discovery) and they make US airline security look like the imbeciles that they are. We would be wise to take a lesson from them and maybe for once just say, "Ya know were just dumber than a box of rocks, can you please assist us before we destroy ourselves with our misguided, ridiculous, moronic attempt to make everyone feel loved at our security checkpoints. Please beat us about the face without stopping until we understand. It is to simplistic for us to comprehend." How many folks will have to die before someone decides that powdering middle eastern men's fannies isn't the way to reach them? This guy in Miami has the right idea. People need to get mad and not just one. Enough people need to get mad about it that it actually changes something. If everyone just sits around like the milk sop politically correct cowards that they are then people will continue to die, baby powder stock will go up and up, middle eastern men will not get chaffed, the airlines will continue to suffer. When enough people die, they will fix it. It's amazing that seemingly everything in aviation is that way.

RT

 

[DarnNearaJet]

If only the all the screeners were Victoria's Secret models ... the world would be much happier.

At least I would

 

[TMMT]

Our government is willing to accept and in some cases needs a certain level of violence to continue its self-propagation. The perpetual myth that big government is the only way America will grow and it is the only way you and I will ever be safe again. If government finally admitted the hard truth, that it not only cannot protect individual citizens but has no desire to we would be a much better off society.

Once people begin to take responsibility for themselves and their own lives and stop depending on government for everything from a paycheck and healthcare to “security” we will be better for it. But with this responsibility must come a clear and unmistakable message from the people to the government, one that even the densest of career politicians can understand.

This joke we are becoming to be aware of, that government is attempting to pass off as security is nothing more than some polluted bureaucrats idea of political correctness gone mad, liberal oneness with multi-verse or some such pinko insanity.

The idea that our government will finally wake up if more deaths occur is a stretch at best, it will only elevate the howl from within the political parties for more government regulation and control over our lives and especially our industry now that everyone and everything firmly believes that we are now the enemy simply because in was a plane that was used on 9/11. My evidence to this is the way flight crews are now a special focus by the federal screeners, they seem to garner more than our fair share of attention.

If, God forbid another 9/11 style attack occurred, there would be a cry from the people and the media would point fingers at the screeners, the screeners would point fingers at the government and most likely at the passengers for making their job difficult the blame game would be on and in the end the government would conclude that more government was needed and it is not beyond imagination to see the government step in a “federalize” the airlines completely as a result.

We are one of a dying few if the only nation that has no national or state run airline.

If government had its way…

TMMT

 

[English]

How's this one...

Doing some personal travel on an AAirline, going through security I get the beep...

Pulled over and asked to take my shoes off. I'm not wearing any socks.

The wand is run over the bottom of my BARE FEET!

What were they looking for? Did they think I had a weapon surgically implanted into the bottom of my foot? That somehow I'd cut my foot open during flight to remove a weapon?

We have definitely lost any common sense in the process since 9/11.

 

[skytrucker]

two more cents... now we got a dollor!

Has anyone been through TSA security in a "small town" airport? I timed it, waiting in line, and they averaged about 3 minutes a person!

Commen sense has totally left the building. They also have county sheriff's (one) standing by in case it got crazy. More tax money hard a work.

while on the subject; matching luggage would take a lot of time, but considering anyone could leave god know's what in the checked bags, and leave. HELLO, wake up people.

The terrorist used to be the one to fear... Now its gov. stupidity and snow-jobs that scare me.

End of rant.