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The G0 Jet debacle is being spread by word-of-mouth more and more every day.
Had a United mainline jumpseater the other day and explained what G0 jet was about and he said "oh that Scab outfit? Yeah we know about them and I will make sure I will spread the word to all of my crewmembers......."
It was unsolicited and it made my week........you are being outted - slowly but surely at mainline............
You reap what you sow.
Had a United mainline jumpseater the other day and explained what G0 jet was about and he said "oh that Scab outfit? Yeah we know about them and I will make sure I will spread the word to all of my crewmembers......."
It was unsolicited and it made my week........you are being outted - slowly but surely at mainline............
You reap what you sow.
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We have tremendous support at United. Some either dont care or dont know, but either way they only reason they have a reciprocal agreement is because of their codeshare. Why dont you ask how many other reciprocal agreemnets they have with other airlines........ that's what i thought........Also ask how many UAL furloughees are at G0jets........0
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Shrek said:
Make it 16 times. Scabs??? I never saw a picket line. Did you?? Were you in one?? You TSA guys are the only ones that want everyone to feel sorry for you but you were the ones that were smiling from ear to ear flying for AA and taking that away from the Eagle guys. Now you are trying to come over to the major forum and plead your stupid case here. Trust me no one cares. You need to grow up and get over it. You had your chance to get the flying and you turned it down. So deal with it. Don't blame the GJ guys for taking advantage of what they think is a good job.
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Not that I have the final say-so but I would never deny anybody a jumpseat that we have a reciprocal agreement with regardless of my political views. The thing is, most of you who come on this chat board and blast these people anonymously would take a job there in a heartbeat if you were in dire-straights and needed to put food on your family's table. The hypocrisy on this board really kills me sometimes.
I believe the point Skippy was making is that GJ has NO jumpseat agreements outside of their United codeshare- meaning that NO other airlines are willing to sign an agreement allowing reciprocal jumpseats. Why could that be if those pilots were not doing something they shouldn't be doing?
I personally think those guys are scum that are bringing down the industry. In my opinion they should be denied. Maybe you don't agree with me, but everyone gets their own opinion and once again, I think they are scum. I like seeing these threads on a regular basis since while they may get a bunch of people offering their opinions that they don't agree with denying the jumpseat or agree that anything is wrong with GJ, these threads do get looked at by more and more people who were uninformed and can make an informed decision after learning a thing or two about what is going on in the industry.
I personally think those guys are scum that are bringing down the industry. In my opinion they should be denied. Maybe you don't agree with me, but everyone gets their own opinion and once again, I think they are scum. I like seeing these threads on a regular basis since while they may get a bunch of people offering their opinions that they don't agree with denying the jumpseat or agree that anything is wrong with GJ, these threads do get looked at by more and more people who were uninformed and can make an informed decision after learning a thing or two about what is going on in the industry.
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JTF you are so uninformed or you are just promoting your agenda. GJ is well endowed with recipprocal agreements: UAL, USAIR, SWA, COMAIR and oh yes TSA. Nothing worse than premeditated lies; oh yes, suicide is worse. I have said it before, TSA has nothing good to say about anyone. If anyone is making a name for themselves it's TSA. I will now standby for your insults, as usual I won't lose any sleep.
Iron Man said:
since you asked nicely, scumbag.
Poor pilots and lowlifes are the only things g0jet is "well endowed" with.
As for making a name, well lets ask the President of a union of 60,000 pilots who the scumbag alter ego whipsaw airline is? Answer G0jet.
Keep lying you lowlife.
ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that ************************* exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before ************************* employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. ************************* may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.
ironspud said:
Funny how you g0jet scumbag sympahtizers feel the need to repeat yourself. There are plenty of people who don't care: they don't post here. You post, therefore, stupid, you care.
From each one of your posts, you reek of a!!hole. You care about g0jet probably because you are a TRUE SCAB and would like to see more scumbags in the industry.
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redbook said:
Care to share with us all the date of this ??? It was May 5, 2005.
http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/ALPA_Documents/ALPA_DocumentsView.aspx?itemid=1499&ModuleId=506&TabId=93
Over the last 13 months it's been crickets chirping from ALPA National and the NMB Board ruled against ALPA Dec. 21, 2005.
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf
It's over and I believe ALPA has even conceded as such.
who will post next for g0jet? I will fill it in for you: The standard mantra: nobody cares about g0jet, you would be a dirtbag and join an alter ego if you had to, all regionals are dirtbags anyway, etc etc etc.
All the usual g0jet guys have posted and a few more should chime in before long.
Then the vast majority of mainstream pilots will respond and say, sorry, an alter ego whipsaw carrier is a bad thing.
And D'Angelo will tell us no, it is really a good thing.
All the usual g0jet guys have posted and a few more should chime in before long.
Then the vast majority of mainstream pilots will respond and say, sorry, an alter ego whipsaw carrier is a bad thing.
And D'Angelo will tell us no, it is really a good thing.
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redbook said:
Yep, it's over...
1. World War II begins...
2. Two atomic weapons dropped on Japan.
3. The surrender of Japan aboard the USS Missouri on September 2, 1945.
4. Millions af Americans driving Japanese cars today.
5. Me watching the news on a Sony flat screen as I type this.
I'd say we're past the statute of limitations on Pearl Harbor...
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h25b said:Yep, it's over...
With millions af Americans driving Japanese cars today and the surrender of Japan aboard the USS Missouri on September 2, 1945, YES, there was a statute of limitations on that as well... :erm:
So, the actions on December 7 1941 were a good thing?
No wonder you thing g0jets is a ok.
We are still in the middle of the battle. You are on the losing side.
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redbook said:
At a quick count 4 family members of mine served in the Pacific theatre in WW2, one KIA... Another of which was a doctor who spent his time patching back together the results of the conflict and I grew up hearing about what happened from him. His wife, my Great Aunt and a nurse in the Pacific, had similar stories to tell. No, it wasn't a good thing. I never said it was.
You made a statement about a statute of limitations and don't insult yourself by trying to make it look like I said something I didn't.
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h25b said:
Ok, shall we start over?
I posted an ALPA press release saying that G0jet was an alter ego carrier.
You said its a year old.
I stated does that mean it doesn't matter?
Tell me where I went wrong.
I will post the press release again. Just to see you try AGAIN and lie and spin your way out of black and white.
ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that ************************* exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before ************************* employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. ************************* may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.
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That press release was from May 2005 and before the NMB ruled against ALPA in December 2005. That press release consists of nothing more than the bull elephant trumpeting to the herd and rallying the troops towards their eventual failure. You conveniently left out the date when you cut and pasted it from www.alpa.org ...
The timeline is important as you like to try and tell everyone that the battle still rages when it in fact ended with the NMB ruling in December. Furthermore, ALPA National has been silent ever since leaving us all to enjoy the rants and bitche$ of people like yourself who just can't let it go.
You say I am lying and I ask you exactly where I am stating anything other than fact..
The timeline is important as you like to try and tell everyone that the battle still rages when it in fact ended with the NMB ruling in December. Furthermore, ALPA National has been silent ever since leaving us all to enjoy the rants and bitche$ of people like yourself who just can't let it go.
You say I am lying and I ask you exactly where I am stating anything other than fact..
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h25b said:
Fact: g0jet is an alter ego carrier.
Your response. " no the date is wrong!"
NMB rulings are the determining legal factor. Fine. But pilots can see what an alter ego carrier is, regardless what the NMB says, particuarly when their union agrees with them.
Good luck convincing people otherwise. Stick to the g0jets are not scabs argument because there you are on more solid ground. Just don't push it to far and try and defend a pilot group of scumbags that knowingly joined an alter ego carrier, solely designed, according to the president of 60,000 pilots, to avoid the TSA pilots contract.
ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
" There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. ************************* may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
well h25b? care to refute this too?
"
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
" There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. ************************* may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
well h25b? care to refute this too?
"
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redbook said:
Would that be the same president of 60,000 pilots that has overseen the "rock solid" scope limitations that has gotten you in to this mess to begin with ??? Just curious...
redbook said:
And as for the "walled off" from flying the GJ aircraft, that was clearly not the case. The flying was offered and was refused due to unacceptable terms.
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