major airline jr. captain # vs. rest of list

[wings421]

Without trying to be "that guy" asking about major airline upgrades, just curious what number it takes at the different airlines to hold the left seat. Example: 4000 of 6000. Just curious how many people pass upgrade for QOL issues at the major level (at the regionals its hard to pass due to money/career advancement issues)?

 

[NuGuy]

Without trying to be "that guy" asking about major airline upgrades, just curious what number it takes at the different airlines to hold the left seat. Example: 4000 of 6000. Just curious how many people pass upgrade for QOL issues at the major level (at the regionals its hard to pass due to money/career advancement issues)?

At NWA it's ~4300 out of 4800 active, I think...

Nu

 

[General Lee]

At NWA it's ~4300 out of 4800 active, I think...

Nu

At Delta it is about 5300 out of 6700(?). We have 99 hires in the left seat of the MD88 on the Delta Shuttle and maybe flying the MD88 in ATL. We have a large bid coming out next week that will have that same seniority as Captains on the 738 in LAX (probably) and maybe in ATL on the 738 also. (I have to wait about 9 months due to a seat lock)

Wings,

Some people feel the need to have the left seat for Command reasons, and some people sit in the right seat on large equipment for QOL issues. Having Holidays off can be important, and also not being on reserve for the kids. A lot of people wait to hold Captain until they can hold a line for the same QOL issues.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Patriot328]

Junior CAL EWR737CA award went to #3970 out of 4950 or so. Goes to show how great the QOL is for a junior CA..


Actually, looking out of pay/qol issues, it makes sense. Anyone who is sitting at the top of the payscale in the right seat of a wide body would nearly be taking a pay cut (especially considering earnings-vs-days at work per month) to go to the bottom of the 737CA list. Most ride the seniority QOL until they can hold a similar QOL as a CA. Only the junior pilots, who have a huge pay difference between CA and FO at 2-8 yrs longevity, are willing to put up with being at the bottom of the BES.

My example: As a 756FO in EWR I can have 12-13 days off with an occasional 14 days off and flying only 757 making 75/hr with 85hr line or I can have 12 days off making 148/hr with a 76hr line value on reserve as a CA. If you live locally, sitting reserve is much more tempting.

However, if I were at 12yr pay scale, the pay difference wouldn't be nearly as much, percentage wise, and I'd much rather enjoy 20-21 days off a month sitting right seat in the 777 than slugging it out in the domestic system as a 737CA.

 

[maxblast72]

At Airtran, the October vacancy bid for 717 Captains were awarded to guys around #910 (out of 1550 total or about 59% of way down senioirity list). The guys that were awarded upgrade were hired in December 2004 (3 year upgrade as class starts next month).

Not as many people bypassing at Airtran for a couple reasons:

1) We don't have a junior base like Newark at CO or New York for DL (everyone based in ATL).

2) Such a big pay difference between Captain and FO throughout the whole longevity range)

3) Our reserves pay system work really well under our current contract (often 100 hours of pay per month for only blocking 70-80 hours)

 

[TriStar_drvr]

3091 out of 5599 at SWA.

 

[aa73]

Junior AA CA (Native) is about 6200 out of 10,000 (LGA)... Junior TWA CA is about 8800 (STL).

The AA CA is about a late '90 hire, the junior TWA CA is about a late '88 hire.

 

[Cardinal]

412 out of 702 at F9. Same factors working as mentioned in the Airtran post.

 

[wings421]

Thanks guys.

Anyone know United's? ORD specifically.

 

[pilotgolfer]

Thanks guys.

Anyone know United's? ORD specifically.

Junior Captain is DCA 300, #5438.

ORD 300, #5413
ORD 320, #5189


United has about 8050 pilots on the list.