Magenta Line - 10/3/09 - Part 2

[ATRCA]

Yeah, I DO have it bad here! I gave up a good paying job, moved my family to Houston only to have my job threatened the entire time I have worked here. I transferred to Houston, got bumped back to Newark (on RSV), and now back to IAH only to hear the furlough rumor...AGAIN! I took the RFL to save my or another employee's job figuring the pay would equate to NJ unemployment. If they furlough while I am based down here, I am FU(%#D! Texas unemployment payments will result in my family heading to the poorhouse. Yeah, it's great here. :angryfire If anyone needs a dose of reality, it's YOU!!!

I hope you don't need to find out but, your unemployment does not necessarily come from the state where you reside. In fact, you will get benefits from all the states where you have worked and since you payed NJ work force tax you will get the max benefit from NJ which is about $600/week. I don't think you'll need it though.

Fingers crossed!

 

[Homer Jay]

I hope you don't need to find out but, your unemployment does not necessarily come from the state where you reside. In fact, you will get benefits from all the states where you have worked and since you payed NJ work force tax you will get the max benefit from NJ which is about $600/week. I don't think you'll need it though.

Fingers crossed!

Good to know! Thanks for the info. As far as the company is concerned, bring on the the fight! FUPM!!!!

 

[Phrogs4ever]

Just had to choke down a mouthful of bile after rereading the mec message from Jay last week. The gist of it was "let's facilitate a UAL merger and then we'll have leverage for a better contract." When you stop representing the pilots (not that he was actually voted in or anything), it's time to step down.

 

[SFR]

Christ with rhetoric like his, he ought to be running for one of the CAL MEC rep positions. He can put in his 2 years "working" for us, and then segue right into a CAL management position. Seem to be the natural progression in the CAL ALPA Flying Club.

You guys are nuts... Why the heck would I want to be management when I can stay home and bid reserve.....

Management would be a huge paycut!


And no, I would not cross a picket line. I don't want to fly now as it is.

 

[SFR]

Yeah, I DO have it bad here! I gave up a good paying job, moved my family to Houston only to have my job threatened the entire time I have worked here. I transferred to Houston, got bumped back to Newark (on RSV), and now back to IAH only to hear the furlough rumor...AGAIN! I took the RFL to save my or another employee's job figuring the pay would equate to NJ unemployment. If they furlough while I am based down here, I am FU(%#D! Texas unemployment payments will result in my family heading to the poorhouse. Yeah, it's great here. :angryfire If anyone needs a dose of reality, it's YOU!!!

well, from my perspective it is great. I have not flown since Aug 27th...

 

[HHH]

Yeah, I DO have it bad here! I gave up a good paying job, moved my family to Houston only to have my job threatened the entire time I have worked here. I transferred to Houston, got bumped back to Newark (on RSV), and now back to IAH only to hear the furlough rumor...AGAIN! I took the RFL to save my or another employee's job figuring the pay would equate to NJ unemployment. If they furlough while I am based down here, I am FU(%#D! Texas unemployment payments will result in my family heading to the poorhouse. Yeah, it's great here. :angryfire If anyone needs a dose of reality, it's YOU!!!

Rumors of furloughs???? As of Oct 7, 2009 I have not heard of any (I am am hovering atte bottom of the list). Are these rumors new or just the same old company spewed garbage (aka Flight ops news letter)? Thanks.

 

[145BOSS]

I haven't heard any additional rumors since the results of the last System Bid.

 

[Homer Jay]

Rumors of furloughs???? As of Oct 7, 2009 I have not heard of any (I am am hovering atte bottom of the list). Are these rumors new or just the same old company spewed garbage (aka Flight ops news letter)? Thanks.

The rumor I heard that by making Houston the junior base, they wouldn't have to comply with all the New Jersey requirements should they decide to pull the plug. I've also been hearing that ALPO might be going along with the ATA's proposal of a 13 hour duty day with up to 11 hours of flying depending upon the start of your duty day. How are we supposed to get IRO's both ways if this goes through? Some of the proposals sound like they would CUT staffing requirements. I recommend when the NPRM comes out, that everyone comment and write/call your congressional leaders. The ATA is lobbying hard and Chunky Pratard seems to be agreeing with them.

 

[SFR]

They use to fly that long before with a 3 man crew on the DC-10 and 747. what is the difference? I would rather have a max duty day of 13.

 

[AWACoff]

They still fly that with a 3 man crew at Continental on every fleet type. The difference is you get a chance to sleep in crew rest seat with a 3 man crew.

 

[SFR]

They still fly that with a 3 man crew at Continental on every fleet type. The difference is you get a chance to sleep in crew rest seat with a 3 man crew.

Honestly, that 3 hour break does me no good. I would rather have nothing. I need my 8 hours. After 3 hours it takes me an hour to wake up and I am confused for awhile. That is the main reason I do not like the long flights.

When EWR based I actually liked the UK because of no rest breaks. The short nap really screws me up.

I would much rather fly 10 hours in an 11 hour duty day than fly 6 hours in a 14 hour duty time...

 

[Captain X]

Just had to choke down a mouthful of bile after rereading the mec message from Jay last week. The gist of it was "let's facilitate a UAL merger and then we'll have leverage for a better contract." When you stop representing the pilots (not that he was actually voted in or anything), it's time to step down.

Name one thing that CA Pierce said in that message that wasn't "true."

And your "summary" is WAY over-simplified.

Sometimes I think guys really have a difficult time hearing things that they don't want to be true or make them admit that their idealistic, utopian, viewpoint is skewed.

 

[Phrogs4ever]

Since the blastmail has been purged from my deleted files, and is not posted on the calalpa mec page yet, you'll have to wait for an itemization of the crap that was put out. In the meantime, please, how would your summary read?

He basically stated that we have no leverage for negotiations (false), it's not worth the effort right now (false), and that all will be better for us if we "facilitate" a merger with United first (false). I put that letter right up there with alpa's "since we can't fight age 60, let's just have some say in how it's implemented" position. At least that worked out great for our training department. Yep, it's a good thing we also saved the company from the impending bankruptcy with contract '02. It's awful nice of them to use that a starting point for negotiations as well.

You may have beaten down and find it less stressful to just eat what the company is feeding you, but some of us have too much time remaining to sit idly by. Especially when it's coming from our own "representatives"! I won't buy into the philosophy that "if rape is inevitable, just lay back and enjoy it." The rest of us will still fight for safety, pay, and quality of life improvements, and I am not willing to put that on hold waiting for a merger which may or may not happen anytime soon to magically produce an equitable contract, all the while falling further behind on inflation as the company (executives) reap the benefit of our inaction.

 

[SFR]

I think we should drop ALPA.

 

[ATRCA]

I think that blastmail will lead to Pierce returning to the line much sooner than he has planed. It was an extremely poor decision on his part to attempt to manage expectations. The thread on Calforums regarding this has had almost 10,000 views. I think we'll see movement on removing him soon.