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[jonjuan]

Not even close to being right.

Southwest was a coast to coast major airline 15 years ago.

Lol......Technically so was Comair.

 

[Dan Roman]

What's up with the SWA obsession on these boards?

My take is it is a result of so many SWA pilots getting on here and putting everything non SWA down. SWAPA rules ALPA sucks, we are the best airline ever, etc etc.
I always have liked SWA, they are good at what they do and I have met a lot of good SWA folks over the years. I have also met a lot good people from other airlines too. The SWA folks come across as all they care about is themselves and how can they get ahead at any cost.

 

[madjack]

SWAPA rules ALPA sucks....

Uhh, ask the AAI guys what they think of ALPO

 

[no1pilot2000]

Will SWA and AirTran become one cohesive company in the next year or so, or will AirTran be a subsidiary under Southwest? What happens "if" SWA can't completely integrate AirTran into their company?

 

[fam62c]

If taking it up the rear means making 6 figures and working 3 days a week sign me and the 14 million other unemployed up!
Never fails to amaze me how out of touch Union members are with the average wage earner making $40,000 per year.

You got that right, try being unemployed in an economic downturn and see how you like it. I've done it and it's not fun. For some people nothing will ever be enough, for those of us who have been through tough times we learn to appreciate what we have instead of always focusing on those who have more. There's a huge percentage of the population who can't even imagine what it would be like to earn even 30K, that would seem like all the money in the world to them.

I'm going to have some significant, negative QOL effects from this merger until 2015 and I'm not thrilled about it but it is what it is, in the end I will have a job and an income that most people can only dream about; my "problems" are laughable compared to people who really have it tough. I think some people need to lose what they have in order to appreciate what they had, it makes you more humble and gives you a totally new perspective on life. Take a walk through a really poor, bad neighborhood sometime and see how some people have to live, it's a good reality check. That could have been anyone of us, count your blessings and think twice before you compalin about your 100K plus job that you already have or will have at some point as a SW pilot.

Nobody is a prisoner in this deal, everybody is free to choose their own course. If anybody is so unhappy about this that they can't get over it you are free to "move about the industry" and find something you like better. I can understand we will have a period of adjustment where some people will be PO'd and need to vent for awhile, that's just human nature and I'll probably whine a little too, but at some point we will need to accept reality, get over it and move on. I don't want to share a cockpit with somebody who is going to rant about this for the next 20 years.

 

[SWA Bubba]

My take is it is a result of so many SWA pilots getting on here and putting everything non SWA down. SWAPA rules ALPA sucks, we are the best airline ever, etc etc.
I always have liked SWA, they are good at what they do and I have met a lot of good SWA folks over the years. I have also met a lot good people from other airlines too. The SWA folks come across as all they care about is themselves and how can they get ahead at any cost.

Actually, I don't know if that's quite right. Or at least the whole story. My take is that a lot of folks make negative comments about SWA (or put up snippets of any article that has anything negative about SWA). Why that is is probably best left up to a pshrink. Maybe because SWA is currently at the top of the heap in pay, etc., and everyone wants to pick on someone who is getting a better deal than them.

Anyway, that of course leads to SWA guys jumping in to defend their company against any perceived slam, and it escalates from there. Sure, SWA has its hotheads (and everyone knows who they are), but it's not quite like Dan Roman thinks--it's not just SWA guys starting threads titled, "SWA rocks and the rest of you guys blow goats." It's guys responding and escalating. Because SWA is at the top of the heap right now, plus the whole SWA/Airtran acquisition soap opera, that's where the discussion-turned-arguments tend to materialize.

And then of couse, you have the constant pot-stirrers like Fubijaakr, OYS, General Lee, Lumberg and others. They just chime in with a random or tangentially-applicable anti-SWA comment, which they know will elicit the predictable responses and ramp up the rhetoric. It's what they do. It's all they do. Just look at OYS's comment a few posts up.

Are we proud of our company? Of course we are. Do we think SWAPA works better than ALPA? I'm sure we do. Do we think SWA is the best airline to work for? I would guess the overwhelming majority of us believe that. That's why we're here. Most of us figure that makes us pretty lucky. That doesn't mean that we sit around trying to find ways to denigrate the other airlines. Or beat our chests and mock the "lesser airlines." However, when people get negative about our "family," we respond. Some of us try do so tactfully and respectfully; some of us, not so much. Since SWA is currently at the top, it turns into SWA against the world. If someone else was at the top right now, it would be THEM against the rest. Such is the nature of an anonymous forum. It is what it is.

Anyway, back to the show.

Bubba

 

[Dash Power]

Actually, I don't know if that's quite right. Or at least the whole story. My take is that a lot of folks make negative comments about SWA (or put up snippets of any article that has anything negative about SWA). Why that is is probably best left up to a pshrink. Maybe because SWA is currently at the top of the heap in pay, etc., and everyone wants to pick on someone who is getting a better deal than them.

Anyway, that of course leads to SWA guys jumping in to defend their company against any perceived slam, and it escalates from there. Sure, SWA has its hotheads (and everyone knows who they are), but it's not quite like Dan Roman thinks--it's not just SWA guys starting threads titled, "SWA rocks and the rest of you guys blow goats." It's guys responding and escalating. Because SWA is at the top of the heap right now, plus the whole SWA/Airtran acquisition soap opera, that's where the discussion-turned-arguments tend to materialize.

And then of couse, you have the constant pot-stirrers like Fubijaakr, OYS, General Lee, Lumberg and others. They just chime in with a random or tangentially-applicable anti-SWA comment, which they know will elicit the predictable responses and ramp up the rhetoric. It's what they do. It's all they do. Just look at OYS's comment a few posts up.

Are we proud of our company? Of course we are. Do we think SWAPA works better than ALPA? I'm sure we do. Do we think SWA is the best airline to work for? I would guess the overwhelming majority of us believe that. That's why we're here. Most of us figure that makes us pretty lucky. That doesn't mean that we sit around trying to find ways to denigrate the other airlines. Or beat our chests and mock the "lesser airlines." However, when people get negative about our "family," we respond. Some of us try do so tactfully and respectfully; some of us, not so much. Since SWA is currently at the top, it turns into SWA against the world. If someone else was at the top right now, it would be THEM against the rest. Such is the nature of an anonymous forum. It is what it is.

Anyway, back to the show.

Bubba

+++1

And then of couse, you have the constant pot-stirrers like Fubijaakr, OYS, General Lee, Lumberg and others.

These people are no different than terrorists. If they were Muslim Extremists they would be trying to blow up the same airplanes they fly. Same exact unstable cowardly character type. Seriously cut from the same cloth.

 

[nimtz]

These people are no different than terrorists. If they were Muslim Extremists they would be trying to blow up the same airplanes they fly. Same exact unstable cowardly character type. Seriously cut from the same cloth.

Seriously how stupid is the above observation. As much garbage as some dump on here, it's FI. 'Ahhh based on his posts if GL was a pothead he would totally bogart the Doritos.' Seriously cut from the same cloth! Please grab a hobby or two if this place drives you to think like you demonstrate above. "You are in darn need of a bl0w j_b then any other white man in history."

 

[CaptAntoineMack]

Seriously how stupid is the above observation. As much garbage as some dump on here, it's FI. 'Ahhh based on his posts if GL was a pothead he would totally bogart the Doritos.' Seriously cut from the same cloth! Please grab a hobby or two if this place drives you to think like you demonstrate above. "You are in darn need of a bl0w j_b then any other white man in history."

I thought that observation by Dash was spot on.

Little too real for you? Feel too closely connected?

FI or not, that doesn't give you a pass on your character.

 

[TAZ MAN]

Seriously how stupid is the above observation. As much garbage as some dump on here, it's FI. 'Ahhh based on his posts if GL was a pothead he would totally bogart the Doritos.' Seriously cut from the same cloth! Please grab a hobby or two if this place drives you to think like you demonstrate above. "You are in darn need of a bl0w j_b then any other white man in history."

With 1233 posts I would say you need a few hobbies more and have set the record for the need than any other white man in history.

Pretty funny Osama.

 

[nimtz]

I thought that observation by Dash was spot on.

Little too real for you? Feel too closely connected?

FI or not, that doesn't give you a pass on your character.

I haven't a clue how 'closely connected' one needs to be towards the bandwidth diarrhea blown on here by about 20 guys. However I'm pretty sure a couple dopey airline pilots arguing over who has the coolest house has nothing to do with Wahabist extremist. Character on this site!?! GMAFB! The parking lot at Giants Stadium b4 a game w/ Philly has more pragmatic people then this board.

 

[TAZ MAN]

I haven't a clue how 'closely connected' one needs to be towards the bandwidth diarrhea blown on here by about 20 guys. However I'm pretty sure a couple dopey airline pilots arguing over who has the coolest house has nothing to do with Wahabist extremist. Character on this site!?! GMAFB! The parking lot at Giants Stadium b4 a game w/ Philly has more pragmatic people then this board.

My lord you are wound tight.

 

[nimtz]

My lord you are wound tight.

For questioning WTF terrorism has to do with DAL-LUV cat fighting? Look sling mud over LUV-AT-DAL all you guys want just try not to sound like complete narrow minded dolts. Oops silly me that's impossible. Too many airline pilots on here.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Lol......Technically so was Comair.

Except they didn't charge $5K to get an interview.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Except they didn't charge $5K to get an interview.

I gotta' ask, Fubi, just what exactly IS your obsession with SWA's type rating requirement? You mention it on nearly every friggin' thread that anyone from SWA has posted on. As if it's the ultimate put-down or something. You personally "know right from wrong," and anyone who paid for a type rating doesn't... What the hell kind of leap of logic is that? Can you really not think of any other insult than to drag out the tired old PFT schtick?

I got news for you; everyone pays something for an interview. From a coupla' hundred for an "interview suit," to that much or more for interview prep, to several thousand for an ATP rating. So what? So some guys paid several thousand more for a type because they wanted to work for SWA. Others got it free in the military or free through the GI bill. Why is that such a big deal in your mind? They consider it an investment. You paid whatever for your interview w/ Alaska (ATP rating, suit, etc.) and they paid $5000 on top of what you spent to interview with SWA. Then they made it back with interest in a couple of months' difference in SWA pay vs Alaska pay. That makes you right and them wrong? In whose book?! Fubi the Fair's book? Sounds more like sour grapes to me.

Please--think of some new material. That 12-step playbook on effective arguing on FI (listed on another thread), that you seem stuck on step 7 with, was actually a joke; it wasn't meant to be taken seriously.

Bubba

 

[shootr]

Gulfstream - You pay Gulfstream for your training. They make a profit off of your training. This is PFT.

Southwest - They don't care where you got your ATP or your 737 type rating or whether or not you paid for it or already had it. They make no profit off your training. They don't offer 737 type training UNLESS you end up at SWA through an acquisition (Morris or Airtran). Then they type you when you upgrade. This is not a PFT operation. But don't let the facts get in your way.

BTW, I think SWA should get rid of this requirement, now. As big as we are going to be, it will keep some good guys from applying. I predict it'll end AFTER the SLI is completed.

shootr

 

[flynvixen]

Whoa big fella.

The major pilots are earning about 70% less than they did in the seventies. That is a constant slide backwards. Not good. A professional is paid on their education and experience. Being tied to a company is what makes pilots different.

If you include the regional pilot flying 70 to 90 seat jets that percentage is much less. We need to stay in touch, ALWAYS, of what our profession SHOULD be paying us.

Hey Dash.........when is enough ever enough ???? is $300 per hr enough how about $500 per hr ???? once you get that then it will be .....we are so fatigued that we can only work 20 hrs month, then it will be 10 hrs a month and before you know it we will be following ALPA and demanding top dollar and demanding to work 1 hr a month because........you know we are worth it right .....WTFO

Our pay rates are market driven......ever hear of market's ????? why should the airlines pay more than they have to ????

Find something to get happy about.....if you cant make it on what we make you need a new financial adviser

 

[Fubijaakr]

Its because YOU have banged other pilots on this forum about PFT. I just point out that YOU are just as guilty of PFT as anyone.

 

[Full of LUV]

Gulfstream - You pay Gulfstream for your training. They make a profit off of your training. This is PFT.

Southwest - They don't care where you got your ATP or your 737 type rating or whether or not you paid for it or already had it. They make no profit off your training. They don't offer 737 type training UNLESS you end up at SWA through an acquisition (Morris or Airtran). Then they type you when you upgrade. This is not a PFT operation. But don't let the facts get in your way.

BTW, I think SWA should get rid of this requirement, now. As big as we are going to be, it will keep some good guys from applying. I predict it'll end AFTER the SLI is completed.

shootr

Probably true, the type rating requirement made sense in the 80's and 90's when people might have gone to SWA just to (gasp) get a type rating and then leave to a major at first opportunity. If they already had or were willing to get their type rating before hiring, probably were in it for the long haul.
In todays market, a 737 type isn't what it was 20 years ago, and with SWA offering industry leading pay and bene's for a 737 pilot, don't see too many peeps leaving after getting trained.

 

[Sacha]

Except they didn't charge $5K to get an interview.

His obsession is a result of getting out of the military, paying for the 737 type, then thinking since he was the God King, getting hired at SWA was as easy blessing the interviewers with his Presence......happily for all of us at SWA, his name got posted in the system, and all his former military "buds" who knew what a "tool" he was, flooded the Chief Pilots office with "thumbs down" he is a total "Gomer".......

The collective sigh of relief from former military "buds" was so immense, it created a High Pressure system over Dallas and caused a significant drought.

That is why he is obsessed......