HueyPilot
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Fairness and the military
Singlecoil:
You seem to miss the point about Bush Sr being awarded a DFC for his actions in WWII when he lost his aircraft. You point out that the fact he was awarded the honor, but his other two crewmen were not is an example of how the "rich kid" always gets the credit.
That's not why Bush got the medal and the others did not. Bush was the pilot of the aircraft, and thus in command of the aircraft. As per military tradition, typically the pilot in command gets the higher award unless they decide to give the award to the entire crew, or unless a specific crew member performs a specifically heroic act. Here are a few examples I know of off the top of my head that demonstrates this (and points out how the awarding of medals isn't necessarily a "fair" process):
Michael Novosel was a Chief Warrant Officer 4, and pilot-in-command of a UH-1 medical evacuation (medevac) helicopter in Vietnam. He repeatedly flew his battle-damaged helicopter into harms way and eventually rescued 29 wounded South Vietnamese soldiers. He was unhurt, but that action resulted in the Army awarding him the Medal of Honor.
Charles L. Kelly was also a PIC of a medevac UH-1, and was enroute to a hot landing zone to pick up wounded ARVN troops. Inbound, he was told he should abandon the approach because the LZ was too dangerous. He is well known amongst medevac crews in the Army, and his "Dustoff" callsign soon became the adopted nickname of all medevac flights. His last words became the unofficial motto of the medical evacuation community. After being told to go around and avoid the hot LZ, he said "When I have your wounded...". He was cut off in mid-sentence by a bullet which killed him instantly, and his helicopter rolled over and crashed with the loss of all aboard. He was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross (second to the Medal of Honor).
My own grandfather was seriously wounded as an infantry platoon leader in Korea, when a soldier from his platoon was hit by enemy machine gun fire and left in an exposed area. He rushed out of the cover and dragged him to safety, in the course of the rescue he himself was hit by that very same machine gun. He was hospitalized for several months, and asked to return to service in Korea (which he did for another year). He got a Bronze Star.
You see, when an aircraft performs a particularly risky mission, the whole crew works to make it happen. But it's the PIC who makes the decisions, and ensures they press on. So typically they get the higher honors. If it's any comfort, Bush's crewmates at least got a Purple Heart...in itself a pretty high decoration. I'm not sure if they received any other citation. In the above examples, two pilots did almost identically brave things, and one paid with his life while the other escaped with a shot up helicopter. Yet they guy who lived got the MOH. Go figure.
Singlecoil:
You seem to miss the point about Bush Sr being awarded a DFC for his actions in WWII when he lost his aircraft. You point out that the fact he was awarded the honor, but his other two crewmen were not is an example of how the "rich kid" always gets the credit.
That's not why Bush got the medal and the others did not. Bush was the pilot of the aircraft, and thus in command of the aircraft. As per military tradition, typically the pilot in command gets the higher award unless they decide to give the award to the entire crew, or unless a specific crew member performs a specifically heroic act. Here are a few examples I know of off the top of my head that demonstrates this (and points out how the awarding of medals isn't necessarily a "fair" process):
Michael Novosel was a Chief Warrant Officer 4, and pilot-in-command of a UH-1 medical evacuation (medevac) helicopter in Vietnam. He repeatedly flew his battle-damaged helicopter into harms way and eventually rescued 29 wounded South Vietnamese soldiers. He was unhurt, but that action resulted in the Army awarding him the Medal of Honor.
Charles L. Kelly was also a PIC of a medevac UH-1, and was enroute to a hot landing zone to pick up wounded ARVN troops. Inbound, he was told he should abandon the approach because the LZ was too dangerous. He is well known amongst medevac crews in the Army, and his "Dustoff" callsign soon became the adopted nickname of all medevac flights. His last words became the unofficial motto of the medical evacuation community. After being told to go around and avoid the hot LZ, he said "When I have your wounded...". He was cut off in mid-sentence by a bullet which killed him instantly, and his helicopter rolled over and crashed with the loss of all aboard. He was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross (second to the Medal of Honor).
My own grandfather was seriously wounded as an infantry platoon leader in Korea, when a soldier from his platoon was hit by enemy machine gun fire and left in an exposed area. He rushed out of the cover and dragged him to safety, in the course of the rescue he himself was hit by that very same machine gun. He was hospitalized for several months, and asked to return to service in Korea (which he did for another year). He got a Bronze Star.
You see, when an aircraft performs a particularly risky mission, the whole crew works to make it happen. But it's the PIC who makes the decisions, and ensures they press on. So typically they get the higher honors. If it's any comfort, Bush's crewmates at least got a Purple Heart...in itself a pretty high decoration. I'm not sure if they received any other citation. In the above examples, two pilots did almost identically brave things, and one paid with his life while the other escaped with a shot up helicopter. Yet they guy who lived got the MOH. Go figure.