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legendskid_44

legendskid_44

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So ya Just received my commercial ME and SE. but i'm still at very low time 255/15. Should i not even bother to send in my resume to the regionals? talked to my instructor and he said just start sending them out, should I? I rather start flying for an airline instead of going for my CFI right now but either way i'm still going to seek my CFI later on if i do get hired. What do you regional guys think?

any help is very helpful from any body with more hours then me, always soaking up information!!!

thanks for the help
 
Brew yourself up a fresh pot of coffee, sit down at your computer for a few hours, and go through this Regionals board from top to bottom. You'll find the answers you seek.

Short version: Piedmont, PSA and USAJet have NO time requirements. TSA is 250/25. Others? Who knows, you may as well apply.

But the key is don't be tentative. You CAN get a job at those hours, others have. But you have to be aggerssive and go after it.
 
alright thanks for the help....i don't know about the USAjet thing....the VP of Ops is my next door neighbor and pretty much my mentor. i need a few more hours for USAjet
 
have you tried searching? It seems like every week this exact same question comes up. Search "Low time" and you will get gobs of threads....

As others have stated, PSA, TSA, Pinnacle, ACC, Airnet, Usajet, and prolly more that I am forgetting. If you try hard enough you will find something. Or, you could go out and CFI and build some time to get on with one of the 'better' regionals
 
QuasarZ said:
have you tried searching? It seems like every week this exact same question comes up. Search "Low time" and you will get gobs of threads....

As others have stated, PSA, TSA, Pinnacle, ACC, Airnet, Usajet, and prolly more that I am forgetting. If you try hard enough you will find something. Or, you could go out and CFI and build some time to get on with one of the 'better' regionals
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He's got a ways to go before applying to Airnet...
 
I would start sending them out. You never know what's going to happen, and FWIW, I have 1200/110, and not one peep out of ExpressJet or SkyWest, so just because you have time, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to call...

-Goose
 
JSky26 said:
He's got a ways to go before applying to Airnet...
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No, he meets their mins:

Pilot Application Requirements/Guidelines

Effective July 2007​

  • Certificates
  • Commercial (CFI, CFII, and MEI credentials preferred)
    [*]Ratings
    ASEL, AMEL (not limited to centerline thrust), Instrument
    [*]Medical
    Must be issued as a First, but can downgrade to a Second
    [*]Education
    High School Diploma (College education preferred)
No Minimum Flight Time Required to Apply!

http://www.airnet.com/Careers/Flight_crew/flight_requirement.htm
 
That's right folks! You can still be in The Killing Zone and work for XYZ regional airlines! For only a ridiculous amount of money you too can go to Buy Me A Job SuperJet Academy University and go directly into the right seat of a CRJ! Our state-of-the-art CRJ simulators were built in-house with 3 big screen TV's and MS Flight Sim 1998! You will learn the wonders of V1 cuts with auto-rudder! WOW! Someone get my checkbook I need to spend $60,000 on an airline/flight school racket! Sure, you'll be ashamed as hell for going there and you won't want to tell anyone how you worked your way to the airline, but it's all about seniority in the end.... right???

f'ing hell

g
 
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Wow how times change.

3 years ago I went to interviews with my hat in my hand with 1200TT 500ME......
 
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legendskid_44 said:
So ya Just received my commercial ME and SE. but i'm still at very low time 255/15. Should i not even bother to send in my resume to the regionals? talked to my instructor and he said just start sending them out, should I? I rather start flying for an airline instead of going for my CFI right now but either way i'm still going to seek my CFI later on if i do get hired. What do you regional guys think?

any help is very helpful from any body with more hours then me, always soaking up information!!!

thanks for the help
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I dont blame you for wanting to fast track your career. But some of these folks on here, as abrasive as they are, are correct. I can tell you personally that a lot of good people/pilots are washing out of training due to a lack of experience. That is not something you ever want to do. EVER. That can set your career back years. I would suggest getting your CFI, CFII, MEI. Its not that your not capable at this point in your career of making the jump to the regionals. But you do have a lack of experience. We have all been the low time guy at one point, so dont be ashamed of that. I noticed your quote says, fly anything, anytime, anywhere. Thats a great attitude to have! Be aggresive about the integrity of your resume, and I believe it will surve you better. I think most of the folks telling you not to waste your time with you CFI are low timers as well. Take the advice of some of these old crusty captains on here. Shoot me a message if I can help. Good luck.
 
I remember back in the day when i struggled flight instructing for a year to get 1200 hrs so I could go fly checks in the middle of the night. No AP, no radar, throw your own bags, single pilot thru tornado alley all for $1000/month. YEHAAW!!! All that so I could get 2500 hrs to fly right seat in a turbo prop.

My my, how things change.

Send your junk out and keep updating till whoever you want to fly for calls.

A few things I've learned:

1 Dont chase the upgrade

2 Dont commute

3 Whichever regionals are the good ones now, probably wont be in a few years

4 be prepared to work a second job your first year (unless you live with mom and dad or your old lady brings home the coin)

Good luck
 
Beech Balls said:
These f&@#*&% Kids With Low Time Piss Me Off. Get Some Time Before You Come Over Make My Life Hell...
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Back off man, i'm just trying to get answers to my questions. Sorry i don't have 6000 hours and know all the answers, way back when you were in the same boat as me. thanks for the help...i plan on getting more time
 
I'm pretty sure that you wont get hired if you don't apply anywhere.
Good luck and keep flying!
 
Why do so many pople think that a Commercial certificate with wet ink entitles them to a job that they really are not ready for?
Before you guys start the "well the military..." BS argument, look at the selection and trainin process the military uss, as well as the fairly high accident / incident rates they have. 3 F-16 crashes in AZ alone lat year, the C17, the C5, need I go on?
 
acaTerry said:
Why do so many pople think that a Commercial certificate with wet ink entitles them to a job that they really are not ready for?
Before you guys start the "well the military..." BS argument, look at the selection and trainin process the military uss, as well as the fairly high accident / incident rates they have. 3 F-16 crashes in AZ alone lat year, the C17, the C5, need I go on?
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Not to mention just about the only time you see/hear these guys flying around is on 10sm CLR days. If you live next to a base, you know what I mean.
 
acaTerry said:
the fairly high accident / incident rates they have. 3 F-16 crashes in AZ alone lat year, the C17, the C5, need I go on?
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High accident rates in the military are more a function of the "type" of flying than low time pilots or whatever else you're implying.

Flying 50 feet off the deck, at night, on goggles, in formation, wearing 50 pounds of flight gear, while manageing multiple weapons systems, is a little different than flying an airliner on auto-pilot from one 10,000 foot runway to another 10K runway. You don't have quite as many opportunities to screw up, (one of the reasons it's the safest form of travel).
 
acaTerry said:
Why do so many pople think that a Commercial certificate with wet ink entitles them to a job that they really are not ready for?
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Because the regionals are willing to hire at that amount of time. And if they can get through training, the company will put them out on line. The only thing that will change that is a dramatic increase in CFI pay or a FAA reg mandating a minimum number of hours to fly right seat 121.
 
A lot of what these guys are saying is right in a lot of ways. Surely this guy will do better having 1200-1500TT with 500 PIC and some real intrument time to be "experienced" enough to be a real asset somewhere. His instructor is encouraging him to apply, so perhaps he has a lot on the ball. I also agree the Instructor time will teach him what he really knows and give him some valuable experience. Let's not just hammer the guy for being excited and chomping at the bits. Remember we were all there once and thought we were better than we really were. I thought I was the "right stuff" with 300 hours TT, carrier landings, and a set of Navy wings on my chest. I know better now. This guy could get a lot of experience yanking gear and getting 100 hours a month next to some seasoned guys. I know that's when I really started learning. I still wish him luck.
 
GoingHot said:
High accident rates in the military are more a function of the "type" of flying than low time pilots or whatever else you're implying.

Flying 50 feet off the deck, at night, on goggles, in formation, wearing 50 pounds of flight gear, while manageing multiple weapons systems, is a little different than flying an airliner on auto-pilot from one 10,000 foot runway to another 10K runway. You don't have quite as many opportunities to screw up, (one of the reasons it's the safest form of travel).
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I won't argue wih you there, and what I said was in no way a shot at the military guys. But the C5 accident, the C17 wing digging on landings, there are enough of those types of accidents too.
The point I am making is for those who try to say that just because 200-hour pilots fly in the military does not mean that a 250 hour civvy pilot is a good idea. Perhaps if the training on the civvy side was more like the military I would be a little more accepting. But then what would the kids do with their hairstyles and iPods?
 
acaTerry said:
The point I am making is for those who try to say that just because 200-hour pilots fly in the military does not mean that a 250 hour civvy pilot is a good idea. Perhaps if the training on the civvy side was more like the military I would be a little more accepting. But then what would the kids do with their hairstyles and iPods?
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Agree.
 
BE CAREFUL!

Even though you might get hired, you still have to make it through training. As previously mentioned, ALOT of low timers are getting booted out. If you fail out of a 121 school, you will not get hired by another 121 carrier.

If you are not an extremely proficient 255/15 pilot (odds aren't in your favor), I would try your luck at other commercial flying endeavors first.
 
acaTerry said:
The problem is so many of these ticket schools convincing these guys that they ARE such great pilots that they don't think there's anything for them to learn....
Case in Point:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=101534
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Easy there. My degree wasn't from a top notch university, and my knowledge base wasn't second to none, and I had the same problem. It takes practice to be a good instructor, and this guy probably just hasn't had enough of it yet. In fact, I think I still struggle with this with some students, and my pass/fail record is good enough to get the gold seal. And also your success as an instructor has a lot to do with the student's abilities and motivation level, not just your ability to present the material.

If this guy is guilty of anything, it's that he's not realizing that flight instructing is a separate skill from flying in general; you could be a wonderful pilot, but a horrible instructor. Just my take anyway. The fact that this guy would post a thread asking for suggestions shows that he actually gives a crap. He's one of the good ones. A lot of guys I've seen don't even care whether they do a good job of instructing or not, they just want the time.

-Goose
 
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legendskid_44 said:
Back off man, i'm just trying to get answers to my questions. Sorry i don't have 6000 hours and know all the answers, way back when you were in the same boat as me. thanks for the help...i plan on getting more time
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Ignore guys like him on this board. Noting his profile, I'd say he isn't too far removed from being one of those "low time kids".

It is my belief that you will learn a lot more in a thousand hours in the right seat, than you will flying one hour a thousand times in the pattern with your hands in your lap.

That said, get as much time as you can now, apply at the carriers who will consider you, and take your airline specific training very seriously.

Good luck.
 
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