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Looks like delta is finally getting some luv from the investment community

Southwest Passes the Leadership Torch to Delta
By Adam Levine-Weinberg -- Motley Fool
May 16, 2013

Southwest Airlines has long been seen as the leader of the U.S. airline industry, especially from an investor perspective. The company recently reported its 40th consecutive year of profitability; no other airline comes close to it in this regard. It is also the only major airline with an investment grade credit rating, due to its manageable debt levels.

While Southwest's stock performance over the past decade has been unsatisfactory -- particularly compared to one of the new disruptive forces in the industry, Allegiant Travel -- shareholders have not lost much money. The same cannot be said for Southwest's "legacy" competitors, most of which have gone to bankruptcy court within the last 10 years.

However, Delta Air Lines now appears to be assuming Southwest's leadership mantle within the industry. Whereas Southwest was once a pioneer in initiatives such as fuel hedging, now Delta is becoming the leader in "best practices" such as disciplined capital spending and capital return. If Delta can maintain this position, shareholders will continue to profit.

Delta's capital spending discipline
One of the biggest innovations introduced by Delta is the purchase and upkeep of used aircraft in lieu of expensive new airplanes. Northwest had adopted this strategy prior to its merger with Delta five years ago, and Allegiant has also followed this practice for more than a decade.

New aircraft are very expensive, and are long-lived assets. When buying a new plane, an airline needs to be confident that it will be able to deploy it profitably for 25 years! In the fast-moving airline industry, it's impossible to project business conditions that far in the future. If industry changes require downsizing, a company with lots of brand-new planes would be at a disadvantage and could be forced to write down the value of those assets.

Buying used aircraft -- and keeping old planes flying longer -- can help avoid this problem. If industry conditions demand downsizing, it's easy to retire an old plane that is already fully paid for. Furthermore, as new generations of airplane technology are introduced, used aircraft prices for the prior generation tend to drop dramatically.

Delta has taken advantage of this logic by buying dozens of used MD-90 jets, which were built in the late 1990s. The slight fuel efficiency advantage of current-production aircraft is easily outweighed by the lower cost of used MD-90s. A similar thought process motivated Delta's decision to lease 88 Boeing 717s after Southwest decided to phase out that model at its AirTran subsidiary.

Delta's frugal capital spending has allowed it to quickly reduce its debt burden while maintaining a competitive product. It is also enabling Delta to return capital to shareholders. Last week, Delta announced a new $0.06 quarterly dividend and a $500 million share repurchase plan.

Southwest follows
This week, Southwest took a page out of Delta's book. On Wednesday, the company announced that it would purchase 10 used Boeing 737s (which are coming from WestJet) in 2014 and 2015. At the same time, Southwest deferred orders for some new Boeing 737s scheduled for delivery in the next five years. These moves will reduce capital spending by $500 million over the next five years. This in turn will help Southwest improve its return on invested capital, which has suffered recently.

Southwest's decision to follow Delta's example by buying used planes rather than relying entirely on new aircraft is also freeing up more cash for shareholders. Southwest announced this week that it is raising its quarterly dividend from $0.01 to $0.04 and increasing its share buyback program by $500 million. Thus, Southwest has found Delta's used aircraft strategy to be equally rewarding for shareholders.

Will Delta stay ahead
Delta has become an industry leader in recent years by thinking outside of the box. This has led to initiatives such as its capital allocation strategy and its decision to buy an oil refinery. Delta's forward thinking has left even longtime industry darling Southwest as a "follower". So far, Delta's unique strategies have been very prescient. If the company can maintain its leadership position in terms of these "new" initiatives, Delta should continue to be a rewarding investment.
 
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Not according to Redflyer. HECK NO! ;)


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
It's about time DAL started to do something right. How many billions have they gone through to finally come up with a vaible plan?
 
Southwest Airlines has long been seen as the leader of the U.S. airline industry, especially from an investor perspective. The company recently reported its 40th consecutive year of profitability; no other airline comes close to it in this regard. It is also the only major airline with an investment grade credit rating, due to its manageable debt levels.
Southwest is the only major airline to repay its stakeholders in full over the last decade even with $3/gallon Jet A.
 
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Not according to Redflyer. HECK NO! ;)


Bye Bye---General Lee


Hey General, here is a real simple question for you....


Can you name a US airline that is rated as 'investment grade' by the rating agencies?

Take all the time you want and make sure you think really hard before answering!
 
Southwest is the only major airline to repay its stakeholders in full over the last decade even with $3/gallon Jet A.

Max, is it true you are applying for a CP position at SWA? What are the chances they will allow a FAT pilot (Former AT) to do so? Good luck Max.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Hey General, here is a real simple question for you....


Can you name a US airline that is rated as 'investment grade' by the rating agencies?

Take all the time you want and make sure you think really hard before answering!

FedEx and UPS?

Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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Investment advice from the Motley Fool, give me a break. Their masthead even states one of their main focuses is to amuse you. Check out what Seeking Alpha has to say. In 2007, Seeking Alpha was the recipient of Forbes' Best of the Web Award and was selected by Kiplinger's as its pick for Best Investment Informant. In 2011 Seeking Alpha was listed as #1 in Inc. Magazine's list of Essential Economic blogs.

Southwest Airlines Is The Best Transportation Play

Southwest Airlines (LUV) is the largest and most well-managed airline in the United States. The company has 40 years of history and is known for its low-fare, high-quality air service. The company is repeatedly cited in case histories in business school for being an exceptionally well-run company. The stock price has shown great strength over the previous quarter. The company is likely to grow earnings, and analysts remain upbeat on forward growth.


http://seekingalpha.com/article/1065941-southwest-airlines-is-the-best-transportation-play


10 Best Airline Stocks for 2013

Symbol
Equity
Rating
CPA
COPA HOLDINGS SA
A+

ALGT
ALLEGIANT TRAVEL CO
A

LUV
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
A

ALK
ALASKA AIR GROUP INC
B+

RYAAY
RYANAIR HOLDINGS PLC
B

JBLU
JETBLUE AIRWAYS CORP
B

SKYW
SKYWEST INC
B-

LCC
US AIRWAYS GROUP INC
B-

DAL
DELTA AIR LINES INC
C+

LFL
LATAM AIRLINES GROUP SA
C

http://www.thestreet.com/topic/25821/top-rated-equity-airlines.html
 
What's the ROI on the refinery?

SwA has been buying used for decades, so who's following who's lead again?

Big wigs are saying $200-300 million profit per year, and that was the purchase cost. It was a good deal. The guys in CNBC were saying RA was a genius for buying it because it got rid of the middle man. Having control over one of your biggest costs---fuel. And oil people are running it.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Investment advice from the Motley Fool, give me a break. Their masthead even states one of their main focuses is to amuse you. Check out what Seeking Alpha has to say. In 2007, Seeking Alpha was the recipient of Forbes' Best of the Web Award and was selected by Kiplinger's as its pick for Best Investment Informant. In 2011 Seeking Alpha was listed as #1 in Inc. Magazine's list of Essential Economic blogs.

Southwest Airlines Is The Best Transportation Play

Southwest Airlines (LUV) is the largest and most well-managed airline in the United States. The company has 40 years of history and is known for its low-fare, high-quality air service. The company is repeatedly cited in case histories in business school for being an exceptionally well-run company. The stock price has shown great strength over the previous quarter. The company is likely to grow earnings, and analysts remain upbeat on forward growth.


http://seekingalpha.com/article/1065941-southwest-airlines-is-the-best-transportation-play


10 Best Airline Stocks for 2013

Symbol
Equity
Rating
CPA
COPA HOLDINGS SA
A+

ALGT
ALLEGIANT TRAVEL CO
A

LUV
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
A

ALK
ALASKA AIR GROUP INC
B+

RYAAY
RYANAIR HOLDINGS PLC
B

JBLU
JETBLUE AIRWAYS CORP
B

SKYW
SKYWEST INC
B-

LCC
US AIRWAYS GROUP INC
B-

DAL
DELTA AIR LINES INC
C+

LFL
LATAM AIRLINES GROUP SA
C

http://www.thestreet.com/topic/25821/top-rated-equity-airlines.html


Howie, you need to update your info:



S&P raises credit rating on Delta Air Lines
Associated Press - Friday, May 10, 2013


NEW YORK (AP) -- Standard & Poor's Ratings Services raised its credit rating on Delta Air Lines Inc. Friday, pointing to Delta's improving financial position and its spending plans.

Standard & Poor's said Delta's financial profile is getting better, because its earnings are healthy and its spending in recent years has been moderate. S&P expects both of those trends to continue. The upgrade comes two days after Delta said it will start paying dividends again, and plans to return $1 billion to shareholders through those dividends and a stock buyback.

The firm upgraded Delta's credit rating to 'B+' from 'B'. The outlook is stable.

Delta said it will pay a quarterly dividend of 6 cents per share starting in September. It also plans to buy back $500 million of its stock by mid-2016. Those investor-friendly moves are unusual for airlines. Southwest Airlines Co. is the only other large U.S. airline with a dividend, paying a penny per share.





I think SWA upped their dividend to 4 cents a share, but this article is a lot more recent than your info Howie. And Copa of Panama is at the top? We are all lower rated than Copa? God help us!



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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So, we've had a stagnant 7-9 years as we retool for larger things, and our investment grade is "A"

And we're supposed to be impressed that you guys sold out a bunch of really large jets to Skywest and got to a "B" after pissing on your investors and employees through bankruptcy-?

Keep f^cking that chicken general-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8LDBNcsWc
 
So, we've had a stagnant 7-9 years as we retool for larger things, and our investment grade is "A"

And we're supposed to be impressed that you guys sold out a bunch of really large jets to Skywest and got to a "B" after pissing on your investors and employees through bankruptcy-?

Keep f^cking that chicken general-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss8LDBNcsWc


GK seems worried, he isn't a LCC anymore. Your A rating is great, and a climb to a "B+" from BK is a good climb.

Btw, SKW has lost jets, not gained them at DL. They own ASA, and they have lost many 50 seaters. Adding 88 717s over the next 3 years at mainline has cut outsourcing, and it allows extra cities to be added, maybe including some of the 17 that your airline is dropping. Oh well.



Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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