Looking for CFI's with 200+Dual Given

[jayme]

I freelance instruct on the central coast of California. Now I know cost of living here is high, so that might explain why I can charge $50 an hour. However, there is no reason instruction can't go for $35 an hour in the midwest.

If you charge an appropriate rate, customers can respect that. Whether it's real or percieved, students feel that by paying a fair price, they will get a good product. If they have the option of paying $10 an hour or $50 an hour, a lot will go with the higher rate because they feel that learning to fly safely is more important than saving $1000. By paying 30 or 40 an hour, you'll attract good instructors, and not whore out the employees.

 

[mizzouguy]

Nosehair, I am a proffesional flight instructor and I would starve to death at what you are paying. If you want quality people you have to pay quality wages. I love to teach and obviously don't do it for the money but 10 bucks an hour is a crime. I like the peanuts for monkeys quote.

 

[JediNein]

One flight instructor at my base airport commands $100 an hour and has people lining up to pay that rate. That's over 10,000 hours dual given and over 20 years as a flight instructor.

The next tier is $75 per hour. These folks run their own businesses so they get their full amount but have to pay overhead.

Next are the 3-5 year CFIs at $50 per hour. It's 50/50 employees and freelancers. The pay rate is anywhere from $20 to $45 per hour or revenue hour.

Then the wannabes and time builders and rest of the pack at $35 per hour and below. The pay rate is minimum wage for revenue hours to $15 per revenue hour. There's even one CFI that will "instruct for free" in his airplane.

Why would anyone give up unemployment checks for $10 an hour before taxes? (Yah yah, flying, flight instruction, working instead of being on the dole...)

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[nosehair]

Tsk, Tsk,...my,my,my,my,my!! I didn't know my original post (inquiry) would cause such a get-your-back-up stir!
I thought I had backed up and withdrew the offer, or at least admitted my ignorance of current money-exchange in the market out there. I guess my school is more of a secret than I thought. We are in a quiet out-of-the-way place. Which is also still relativly cheap living expenses. And truthfully, I did not expound on the per hour rate after training, or any of the details.
I recieved no responses as to those points, but have only seen the barrage of indignation for even suggesting such a wage.
Didn't mean to do that, guys....but, since I did, it is an education in human behavior to me.
A good Instructor is always Learning.

 

[Timebuilder]

Wonderful.

Now, all that remains is to educate those who hire flight instructors.

 

[b757driver]

I guess we can ALL learn from this.

It's the same deal when an airline (or any company for that matter) continually advertises open positions or makes repeat ads over a short space of time. What does that tell you? Probably that there are not many takers and they are having difficulty getting the right people. And why is that?

For example, an overseas airline is really having a hard time getting pilots to interview with them and had placed numerous ads on various aviation job sites. Not only is the pay poor for what it entails, but also the candidates have to pay their own air fare out plus their own relocation costs. But wait, there's more...you also have to pay your own housing and transportation - all in a foreign country. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that this is NOT a good deal. Pity, because the airline seems to have nice equipment but they are not prepared to get the "best". Bottom line, you would have to be pretty desperate to even get out of bed to fill out the app for this position. So, the employer will continue having recruiting problems until he can figure it out.

Seems to me as the industry starts turning around the boot will soon be on the other foot, with candidates calling the shots and cheap labor will be a thing of the past - @ least until the next recession! It's a pity so many companies are so short-sighted and have no vision beyond their current bottom line. With a few changes, it's relatively easy to create a win-win environment - look @ the real successful companies - the ones who take care of their employees. In aviation, there are not many of these or so it would seem.

Maybe employers need an education in not only how to hire the best but also how tokeep your employees. The message is clear: if you do not value what should be your strongest asset, then do not expect your business to thrive.

 

[Mickey]

It's $35-50/Hr. in the RIC Va area for a "professional" instructor and about $25-35/Hr. for a "hobbiest" instructor. There is an obvious difference in what you get for your money. You can't even get a golf lesson or your lawn mowed for $10/Hr. I wonder what kind of a flight instructor you could get. I would'nt trust my loved ones flying with them. Good luck!

 

[mizzouguy]

Well nosehair where we live is listed as the cheapest place to live in the us and once again someone would starve on what you would pay. And if thats all you pay your pilots I cant imagine what you would pay for maintenece because parts cost just as much anywhere. Scary thought

 

[AV1ATRX]

I didn't realize that Myrtle Beach was a "quiet, out of the way place." If you meant Conway, then you haven't bought property there recently or tried to find an apartment. And those apartments on-campus don't count. There ain't nothin' cheap about that rent!

As an aside, I hope business improves there. As it stands, it is a ghost of it's former self and needs much improvement before it can be a more well-known, and more importantly, well-respected school.

 

[b757driver]

Just to put this all into perspective, I was browsing the want ads in my local paper the other day.

The jobs that quoted pay rates of $10 were ALL entry-level, NO experience required and barely HS graduate. In other words, you did not need ANY special skills and anyone could do them. An instructor for $10 an hour - what does that tell you? Go figure!

Also, I looked at the local community college. They do not have an aviation department (yet) part-time adjunct teacher in basic math for the princely sum of $170 an hour no, I'm not kidding! Probably did a couple of hours every other day and took home more P/T than most instructors do in a month.

Whichever way you look at this, it is a joke.

 

[GregN1979]

I'll live better mowing grass for hire than for $10/hr

Don't fly for $10 per hour#$%## !!!! How much are you "in the hole" from training to the CFI and multi level? $35,000, $45,000, or $50,000 dollars. Ok! and you are going to instruct for $10 per hour. Thats, ridiculous. Unfortunately, this happens at my flight school as well. Management bills me $47 per hour for ground and flt instruction as a student of their academy and they give my instructor 10 dollars of that, because they know he wants a "guaranteed" regional airline interview at the end of three years! Remember "guaranteed interview" doesn't mean you will be hired! Talk about cheap labor. Flight instructors I believe need to stiffen up and realize how much they have invested and think about how much they are really worth. I'd be better off mowing grass, but I won't because thats not my goal. My goal is to become a professional pilot and at the same time I want to be able to buy clothes and food!

 

[FlyFlyFly]

Hey Nosehair, I am guessing that you are none other than the Chief Instructor. Guess you must be making at least $12.50 per hour. Why did you leave the FAA?

 

[Super80]

$10 per hour? No thanks. And might I add, **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** you.

P.S. That part about the FAA was hilarious!

 

[CDVdriver]

Sorry to say I have to keep a somewhat professional attitude here...

But this is a F@cking joke!
$10/hr? Did you fall out of a tree or something?
Bump your head one too many times on the leading edge?
To teach JAR? I have over 1800 hrs JAR instruction given, my friend I know what students have to pay for this charade.
I bet your CFI's have to be present from 9 am till 6 pm regardless if they have anything scheduled,wear the little suit with the 1,2,3 bar CFI stripes..
I used to work for an outfit like this....management in their little ivory tower and flight instructors a dime a dozen. Complain..? You can go.. we'll find another with 200 hrs dual to take your place.
I work for a good place now....anybody looking for a job with at least semi-decent pay? Look up my post on CFI's in SW Florida in the training forum
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=36772

Regards...

 

[standaman]

Different strokes for different folks

Don't fly for $10 per hour#$%## !!!! How much are you "in the hole" from training to the CFI and multi level? $35,000, $45,000, or $50,000 dollars. Ok! and you are going to instruct for $10 per hour. Thats, ridiculous. Unfortunately, this happens at my flight school as well. Management bills me $47 per hour for ground and flt instruction as a student of their academy and they give my instructor 10 dollars of that, because they know he wants a "guaranteed" regional airline interview at the end of three years! Remember "guaranteed interview" doesn't mean you will be hired! Talk about cheap labor. Flight instructors I believe need to stiffen up and realize how much they have invested and think about how much they are really worth. I'd be better off mowing grass, but I won't because thats not my goal. My goal is to become a professional pilot and at the same time I want to be able to buy clothes and food!

Granted there are some problems with this place that only pays 10 dollars an hour while charging 47 dollars. All of the instructors at said place all knew exactly what we were doing when we started working there. The instructors are good hard working people. And yes not everybody is hired but many are. And the couple years I spent working for 10 dollars don't really matter too much know since I know I have a job.

 

[Goose Egg]

Well, I suppose it all depends on the cost of living in the locality. And at second blush, if $10 per hour was my only option, I'd probably do it. Luckily, I do a lot better than that, and I just want it to be known that a CFI can be paid substantially more. There's a chapter in Savy Instructor that you all should read if you haven't already. A few CFIs in this neck of the woods are paid ~$100 per hour.


-Goose

 

[misty_brewer]

Amen!

One day pilots will realize that they do not have to prostitute themselves out at this rate just to build time.

You are a professional pilot from the time you get your commercial pilots license and have the ability to charge for your services. I can make more than 10 an hour at Mc Donalds.

Ive been there and still didnt do that.