Look what ALPA says, MEC code-a-phone

[Shrek]

or just complain.......your choice I guess LOL

 

[PCL_128]

post removed after MEC's retraction

 

[Shrek]

OK cool we are on the same page then.........

 

[rptrain]

ALPA as a whole is clearly out of touch with reality right now. I got a FastRead today, thinking maybe it would contain a retraction and apology. Nope. Just a warning to Paris bound crews (what, all 10 of them?) that things might be dicey in the bad neighborhoods. Shoot, things were worse than that outside our hotel in Charlie-south. I'm sure it was vital they send that information to all 60,000 ALPA members ASAP. How about a warning to all the LA and NY bound crews? Don't go wandering into the bad neighborhoods, fellas.

Paris-bound crews should be aware that suburban areas of Paris, France have experienced six nights of civil unrest. Flight operations into the Paris area remain secure, but layover locations may not have the same level of routine protection.
The ALPA National Security Committee strongly urges crewmembers to take all appropriate precautions and carefully consider their planned layover activities while in Paris. Contact your MEC security coordinator for further information.

An overview of the situation in Paris can be reviewed through the following link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9891709/

 

[HowlinMadMurdoc]

Actually, I believe you are the one that needs the lesson my friend. As an elected LEC officer, I can assure you that I'm very familiar with the internal workings of ALPA.

Man, are you arrogant. Jeff Helgeson has probably got more flight time inside the OM than you have TT. He's a former OZ/TWA/AA driver so I'm quite confident HE knows more about unions than YOU.

Lose the 'tude, dude.

Rant over...

HMM

 

[Bdfg1]

Actually, I believe you are the one that needs the lesson my friend. As an elected LEC officer, I can assure you that I'm very familiar with the internal workings of ALPA.

You say the message came from the MEC and not the LEC. Correct. However, who composes the MEC? The MEC is composed of the reps from each LEC. The status reps from each LEC are the MEC. If the LEC reps (i.e. the MEC) don't immediately retract the message supporting HoJets, then they need to be recalled along with the MEC officers, no questions asked. This is a direct contradiction of ALPA National's stance on HoJets.

SCABs or not, this is completely unacceptable.

Oh goodie. PFT alive and well within ALPA.

 

[PHXFLYR]

When all you webboard morons are done with your'e wailing and ALPA bashing, you might want to dial 1 800 FOR ALPA and listen to the U MEC's retraction statement.


PHXFLYR

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

When all you webboard morons are done with your'e wailing and ALPA bashing, you might want to dial 1 800 FOR ALPA and listen to the U MEC's retraction.

PHXFLYR

NEVER!!

The best way to hate ALPA unconditionally is stay uninformed! Paranoid and and cynical... A little bitter helps too....

 

[PHXFLYR]

NEVER!!

The best way to hate ALPA unconditionally is stay uninformed! Paranoid and and cynical... A little bitter helps too....

Yeah, no "sheet". I listened to the code phone message last night and like everyone else was appaled at what I heard regarding job "opportunities"
at GJ. So ,what did I do about it ? I finished my trip early this morning and called the U MEC office in PIT and spoke with Dana from their communications department. She was already informed of the error by many pilots from many different ALPA carrieres not the least of which was the Trans States MEC. She said that they we're working on a retraction statement as we spoke and that it would be on the code a phone this evening,which it was. I think next time ,though I'll just save the time and aggravation and just call for Duane Woerth's head on a platter here on good ol' FlightInfo.com, where idiots come home to roost!


PHXFLYR

 

[LearLove]

Like I said, I'll always give credit where it is due, and I applaude the U MEC for taking care of this issue, here is tonights (11/2/05) code a phone:

MEC CODE-A-PHONE UPDATE​

November 2, 2005​

This is Jack Stephan with a US Airways MEC update for Wednesday, November 2nd, with four new
items.
Item 1. The MEC reconvened its special meeting today in Herndon, VA and spent the majority of the
day receiving a comprehensive report from our Merger Committee in closed session. Details of their
presentation to the MEC will be available on the pilots only website later this week.
The MEC unanimously passed a resolution on the allocation of stock called for in LOA 94. The MEC
determined that the stock is to be distributed on an equal per capita basis to all pilots who were active
US Airways, Inc. pilots, during the period commencing October 2004 (the month LOA 93 was signed)
through September 2005 inclusive. In addition pilots in the following classifications during the period
October 2004 through September 2005 inclusive, shall also be issued stock: pilots on military leave,
ALPA leave, bereavement or emergency leave, and termination pending review. There is also a
provision for pilots who left the service of the Company during this time to receive stock on a prorated
basis. The resolution also seeks to have the Company withhold stock to pay for each pilot's withholding
tax.
This complete resolution is posted on the pilots only home page under "What's New."
A late agenda item was accepted for consideration. The MEC unanimously passed a resolution
authorizing the MEC Chairman to execute a Memorandum of Understanding, under certain conditions,
concerning the Company's commitments proposed in the Republic employment fact sheet. This
resolution is also posted on the pilots only home page under "What's New."
The special MEC meeting adjourned at 6:45 p.m.
Item 2.​

Yesterday's MEC Code-a-Phone included an item on available pilot positions at *************************. It
is necessary to inform you that ************************* is an "alter ego" airline created by Trans States Airlines
Holdings, which also operates Trans States Airlines (a US Airways affiliate and Jets for Jobs
carrier). ************************* was created to avoid union representation, with the intention of denying the ALPA
pilots at Trans States the right to fly the 70-seat aircraft at *************************, and to dodge compliance with
the terms and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between the Trans States pilots
and their management. The Trans States pilots are still battling their management to obtain the
************************* flying under their ALPA CBA.
In addition to establishing an alter ego carrier, Trans States management has also engaged in a
disturbing and reprehensible pattern of contract noncompliance and led a personal campaign


OK now the issue is over and we can all get back to our regularly sked program here at flyfo, let me be the first to get us back on track:

Thoes SWA pilots are really bringing down this industry, and they paid for training too...

JB guys are just cabin cleaners.....

Something about wearing backpacks........

Some guy with military time said he's better than this civ guy....

Some other guy with civ time said he was better than this mil guy...

Gen Lee says Song will do in JB on the eastcoast.....

Everybody loves LearLove and wants to send him money....... ​

 

[surplus1]

"It is necessary to inform you..." You call that a retraction? That's laughable. If it was a retraction, it would have apologized for the misstatement, and recommended support for the TSA pilots and avoidance of employment at the alter ego GJ, It did not do that.

Find out what the UMEC has "demanded" of the PDT and PSA MEC's amd then tell me about "retractions".

The UMEC couldn't care less about what happens to TSA pilots, or PDT pilots or PSA pilots and neither does the administration of "the union". They will do whatever they think is in their own interest and that includes taking advantage of job opportunities at GJ and anywhere else they can, including if nevessary, disiplacing the PDT and PSA crews.

The gullibility of some regional pilots will never cease to amaze me.

 

[LearLove]

"It is necessary to inform you..." You call that a retraction? That's laughable. If it was a retraction, it would have apologized for the misstatement, and recommended support for the TSA pilots and avoidance of employment at the alter ego GJ, It did not do that.

Find out what the UMEC has "demanded" of the PDT and PSA MEC's amd then tell me about "retractions".

The UMEC couldn't care less about what happens to TSA pilots, or PDT pilots or PSA pilots and neither does the administration of "the union". They will do whatever they think is in their own interest and that includes taking advantage of job opportunities at GJ and anywhere else they can, including if nevessary, disiplacing the PDT and PSA crews.

The gullibility of some regional pilots will never cease to amaze me.

So I guess your not sending any money???????

 

[Jason Kagan]

You must listen to the whole message to hear the apology:


Item 2. Yesterday's MEC Code-a-Phone included an item on available pilot positions at $0JETS It is necessary to inform you that $0JETS is an “alter ego” airline created by Trans States Airlines Holdings, which also operates Trans States Airlines (a US Airways affiliate and Jets for Jobs carrier). $0JETS was created to avoid union representation, with the intention of denying the ALPA pilots at Trans States the right to fly the 70-seat aircraft at $0JETS, and to dodge compliance with the terms and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between the Trans States pilots and their management. The Trans States pilots are still battling their management to obtain the $0JETS flying under their ALPA CBA. In addition to establishing an alter ego carrier, Trans States management has also engaged in a disturbing and reprehensible pattern of contract noncompliance and led a personal campaign against union representatives, wrongfully terminating two pilots and a flight attendant.

We apologize to the Trans States pilots for any harm that was caused by erroneously announcing the availability of pilot jobs at $0JETS . We strongly support the Trans States pilots and understand the threat that $0JETS represents to their careers. All pilots should know that the US Airways MEC does not condone accepting employment at *****

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Many of you don't know......

Kagan and Hopkins are a Trans States ALPA Elected Officer and Committee Chiarman that were terminated for thier union effectiveness by TSA management. (hulas). Their terminiation is unjustified.

These guys have made personal sacrifices for thier pilot group. True Air Line Pilots. These guys are in the trenches fighting the good fight for all of us.

Hopkins is the son of the Author of Flying the Line.

Integrity, strength, courage, fearless, dedication, respect, sacrifice, professional.

Real Characteristics of Real Air Line Pilots.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Integrity, strength, courage, fearless, dedication, respect, sacrifice, professional.

In other words,all the characteristics missing from the average Flight Info webboard member


PHXFLYR

 

[surplus1]

So I guess your not sending any money???????

I'm slow and you lost me completely.

??????????

 

[rptrain]

everybody say it together with me: "Paris... First Class... International...."

 

[BenderGonzales]

ALPA is the real joke here. How many pilots does USAir have on furlough? It numbers in the thousands. And yet they have the gall to say that they "do not condone" these pilots accepting employment with this particular company?

They did the same thing with Freedom Air!

You know what? When ALPA starts paying my mortgage they can tell me where to work. As long as no picket line is being crossed I think ALPA can stick their advice where the sun don't shine.

Why? Because they're hypocrites. They have no problem signing agreements to outsource an ARMADA of 50-100 seat airplanes while thousands of pilots are being furloughed. But god forbid the furloughees try and find employment FLYING one of these 50-100 seat replacement jets!

Sure. The TSA pilots have a point. Their management has created an alter-ego airline in order to whipsaw them into submission.

Yup! I agree 100%. At the same time, however, I believe that management's practice of putting 40,50,70,90+ seat "regional jets" at affiliate carriers is a whipsaw as well! And you know what? ALPA permitted it!! Duane Woerth signed the LOA!!!

I'm not an airline pilot anymore. And things like this make me darned glad.

Somewhere out there is a furloughee from US Airways, or United, or American (TWA) or Delta... He didn't want to accept jets4jobs because you said it was wrong.

He didn't want to accept employment at Republic because you said it's wrong.

He couldn't get hired by Southwest or Jetblue or FedEx because he was one of literally THOUSANDS who were trying to do so and were unsuccessful.

And now his UNION...the one who was supposed to protect HIS job but instead outsourced it has told him that they don't CONDONE him going out and getting the only flying job he could???

I'm raising the B.S. flag. I refuse to cross a picket line. Beyond that ALPA will not govern my career decisions. They lost the ability to make THOSE decisions when they signed on to the company's plan to park DC9s and buy regional-jets flown by pilots who didn't even work for my company...and for a fraction of the pay!!!

You want a whipsaw? Look around! Every Bombardier and Embraer you see is whipsaw.

These MDA guys may be losing their jobs AGAIN. Many of them, furloughed by the same company for a THIRD time. If I were them i'd mail my ALPA wings to Duane in a pretty box with a bow and tell him where to store it.

Ok. Flame away.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Flame away? Why bother? You seem to have it all figured out. And even if we did,you probably wouldn't bother listening anyway.

PHXFLYR

 

[A350]

PHXFLR:

Show me one SHRED of Bender's post that isn't a bullseye!

Then if you can make a cogent reply, perhaps we will listen. All we hear from you and the others is how ALPA is the answer to all our ills.

Wake up before you end up outsourced. All after you pay years of ALPA dues and under their watchful eye.

Bender: Give me an AMEN!

A350