Long Island Sound LR-35 Crash

[JJET44]

There are more divers looking for pilots, than pilots looking for divers.

That's where Survival Systems USA is headquartered.
I'm sure their divers were out helping.

 

[LJDRVR]

A very steep bank, at very low altitude, and the flaps came up..stalled...crashed, right?

Way more complicated than that. Tell you what, I'll write an article about it. Look for it sometime towards the end of June, middle of July.

 

[FN FAL]

That's where Survival Systems USA is headquartered.
I'm sure their divers were out helping.

Looks like the CG was doing the diving, according to the first article posted in the begining of the thread:

A Coast Guard dive team searched the water for the missing pilots. A state police boat, Coast Guard helicopter and Department of Environmental Protection crews also joined the search.

"Our divers are in the area right now to determine if conditions are appropriate for them to attempt a rescue dive," Vance said, adding that rain and storms had been reported in the area.

 

[cabby]

Way more complicated than that. Tell you what, I'll write an article about it. Look for it sometime towards the end of June, middle of July.

I'd like to hear your expert take. I flew the air plane with the same co-pilot two weeks before they crashed. I also personally talked wit some of the line guys in Groton who saw the accident. I also bet with my 6500 hours in lears and personal experience with the pilots and airplane involved my take well be alot more accurate than yours.

 

[FN FAL]

Does anyone know the circumstances of this crash?

Looks like this news story is saying that landing lights were struck during the incident:

The rescued passengers were able to get out of the plane on their own and were taken to a hospital for minor injuries, state police spokesman Sgt. J. Paul Vance said.

The plane went down a half-mile short of the runway at Groton-New London Airport, authorities said. A Federal Aviation Administration spokesman said the jet hit at least one of several approach lights mounted in a cove near the airport during an instrument approach and landed upside down in about 4 to 8 feet of water.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Hey amateur boy,

How about you develop some skills commensurate with the aviators who perished at Groton. THEN you can come on here with your false and hasty generalizations.

Jarrod Katt was twice the pilot you'll ever be.

Condolences to the families of those two pilots killed. Anybody from on here?

Ohhhkay. Cool your jets guy.

First off, I was acquiainted with the pilot and especially the copilot Ken Hutchinson for several years and had flown over 100 hours with him at AirEast. I knew him on a personal level AND attended the funeral.

Let's just say, I know quite a bit about him, his flying skills and his attitude.

Of course it's unfortunate, but maybe you need to read the report if you think what I'm saying is coming out of left field. They did some very unsafe things. Period. I care not to get into a debate about this. Someone posted a lear 35 crash at GON and I stated that one had crashed there a few years ago.

Oh and, you must be quite an individual to assess ones flying skills over an internet message board. LOL:laugh:

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Way more complicated than that. Tell you what, I'll write an article about it. Look for it sometime towards the end of June, middle of July.

You can make it as complicated as you want. In fact, write an article about it if you're so inclined, full of jargon to really complicate it. But what transpired, transpired. What gkrangers said is correct. The plane came in fast, missed the runway and they tried to swing it around at a very low altitude at a very high bank angle, close to 90 degrees with the flaps incorrectly set. This would not have been executed in such a manner were there passengers on board.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I'd like to hear your expert take. I flew the air plane with the same co-pilot two weeks before they crashed. I also personally talked wit some of the line guys in Groton who saw the accident. I also bet with my 6500 hours in lears and personal experience with the pilots and airplane involved my take well be alot more accurate than yours.

Amen.

 

[ParrotheadPilot]

I'd like to hear your expert take. I flew the air plane with the same co-pilot two weeks before they crashed. I also personally talked wit some of the line guys in Groton who saw the accident. I also bet with my 6500 hours in lears and personal experience with the pilots and airplane involved my take well be alot more accurate than yours.

I thought we passed 3rd grade. C'mon, we're all better than the "my story is more accurate than your story."

 

[gkrangers]

I know we all like to defend each other as pilots, but sometimes the pilots do screw up. It happens...

 

[UPS Capt]

That wx don't look all that bad and I wouldn't exactly call this a landing:

http://customwire.ap.org/photos/6/65869cf8-5d7d-4179-8184-eca7a41004ef-big.jpg

News photo of the crashed Pat Robertson plane.

Anybody know what type of approach they were attempting or the type of approaches available at that airport?

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

Gonna have to guess ILS 5 as the only other approaches are non-precision.....GPS/VOR rwy 5 and GPS/VOR 23

 

[gkrangers]

Anybody know what type of approach they were attempting or the type of approaches available at that airport?

ILS, RNAV/GPS, and VOR are available.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

If you mean the crash from 2003, they were attempting the visual.

 

[n757st]

The plane crashed inbound to runway 5, in fact from what friends told me (I used to work at GON) it might have taken out a pylon or two on the MALSR. Groton has had a lot of fatal crashes in the last 3 years, almost all of which have been a bad mix of WX and pilot error.