Logging time question?

[Hugh Johnson]

If you're going to stay there for a long time, then your 61.58 sign off is all you need.

 

[BillJBrake]

lol, gucci driver and you're not sure how to log your time.

sure you shouldn't be wearing your ipod/backpack/frosted hair and flying for MESA?

 

[siucavflight]

lol, gucci driver and you're not sure how to log your time.

sure you shouldn't be wearing your ipod/backpack/frosted hair and flying for MESA?

What? What is a gucci driver? Do you have an answer for me? It is a gray area.

 

[semperfido]

some things just don't matter. every now and and then I meet someone that has a logbook.

 

[siucavflight]

some things just don't matter. every now and and then I meet someone that has a logbook.

Ha, I know what you are saying, but I am honestly pretty young, with pretty low time, so I want to at least log the 1000 hours of turbine PIC before I quit logging every flight.

 

[semperfido]

just my twisted sense of humor- ignore it

 

[siucavflight]

just my twisted sense of humor- ignore it

No problem!

 

[J.Otto]

asterisk next to the SIC entry...

 

[ksu_aviator]

Just to add my 2 cents...

Are you logging what you are doing? If you are designated SIC, most likely you are not making the decisions and so logging PIC isn't a true representation of your experience. Now, let's say you get a job as a PIC in that aircraft and for any reason at all, something gets bent on the A/C. The insurance is likely to take a deeper look into your background and if they find that you've misrepresented your flight time, they may come after you personally for the damages.

As a certified commercial lines insurance agent, I can verify that this is 100% possible. The insurer is completely within their rights to hold you responsible and lacking the top litigation attorney in the country, you'll probably lose.

 

[NGT]

To get to 61.51 you first have to pass 1.1

Pilot in command means the person who:
(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation and safety of the flight;
(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during the flight; and
(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.

And unless you are flying a single pilot certified aircraft you must apply the 1.1 definition to 61.51 because it is the only FAA definition of PIC.

(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.

And unless you are flying VFR without filing a VFR flight plan, YOU designated the LEG PIC when you filed the ICAO FAA flight plan which uses the 1.1 definition.

C/ (PILOT) INSERT name of pilot-in-command.

There is no sole manipulator or grey area for multi crew aircraft PIC. If your name is not on the flight plan you are NOT PIC regardless of who is actualy flying the aircraft. The flight plan is the Part 91 version of a 135, 125, 121 Flight Release. It's not grey or fuzzy at all ever.



G550 Limitations:

1-01-10: Minimum Flight Crew​

Minimum flight crew required is pilot and copilot

Citation Bravo Limitations:

MINIMUM CREW​

Minimum Flight Crew for All Operations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 Pilot and 1 Copilot

Hawker 800 Limitations:

Minimum Flight Crew​

The minimum crew is two pilots.

If you are flying a King Air 200 part 91 VFR with no VFR flight plan filed and you are both 61.58 current THEN sole manipulator is the PIC.

Although your company or insurance may require an ATP the FAA does not. So don't log PIC Instruction and say you have an ATP because it in no way applies to you although you can instruct if you have a valid and current Instructor certificate for the operations.