- Aug 18, 2004
Can my students log PIC during the dual flight involving a complex or high-performance endorsement?
Actually, Mark, that's 61.51(e)(1)(i).....
....and to amplify to Kream, since I have lived most of my adult life misreading this regulation: This regulation does not say, "To act as PIC...", it says "to log PIC"...
I just simply ASSUMED we talking about the PIC, the person ACTING as the PIC, and here is the rule that governs the LOGGING by that PIC....but that ain't the way it is written. It simply says a sport,recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log...when he is manipulating the controls, and the word rated in this reg has been determined to mean the ASEL(or whatever) that is typed on your certificate.
Now, I have only been converted to this new way accepting this regulation for a year or two (since I came on these message boards), and I still think it is an oversight by the regulation writers - that the INTENT of the rule was that the logging also meant acting.
Look at 61.51(2) An airline transport pilot may log PIC all the time he is ACTING as PIC of an operation requiring requiring an ATP.
That is meant to cover the Captain acting PIC on an airliner even when he's in the bathroom, but Look! he can't log PIC any other time! He is not covered in 61.51(e)(1)(i)
If you stick to the letter of this regulation (instead of the spirit - which would mean you are ACTING PIC to LOG PIC), A guy with an ATP cannot log any time except when he is PIC on a flight requiring an ATP....
even when he is solo.
Kream926 said:ok wait im confused. there was a debate about this at my school "to log or not to log" that is the question.
here's a scenario:
im a SEL private pilot flying an RG. no complex endorsment flying with my instructor. time goes in SEL box, dual recieved box, but does it go in the PIC box? cause mine didnt until i got the endorsment.
dang these regs