Logbook....must it be perfect for regionals?

[pilotyip]

Hey you forgot to mention your most excellent job at Zantop.. Which the union destroyed..

Does not apply, but if it had not happened that way I would not have found this fantastic job at JUS. Where I have made so much more money than I would have at UAL or the Zipper. I would have made less money in my union position at Zipper but would have had the trill of flying the L-188 until I retired.:beer:

 

[JumpersAway]

If your logbook is not perfect, but gets you through the door at a regional, you may be stuck here..............and trust me, you DON'T want to be stuck here.........

 

[rumpletumbler]

What's reserve?

Sounds like you have a job and yet don't work or get paid except every now and again?

 

[rumpletumbler]

One of the ATP written questions:

A sudden pull-up after takeoff can result in

One of the possible answers:

A zoom climb in excess of normal climb profiles to much higher altitudes better than AFM performance ........lol

 

[JustaNumber]

What's reserve?

Sounds like you have a job and yet don't work or get paid except every now and again?

It's a different system at every airline, but at XJET (Crj side), here's the basics. You're the "back-up" pilot they call when something goes wrong, so you don't have a set flight schedule. You get paid a guaranteed minimum (75 hours) every month, and in exchange, you must be available to answer the phone 15 hours per day, usually 4-6 days per week. You get exactly 11 days off per month, although only 6 are guaranteed, or immovable (and they love to move your other off days around at the last minute for their convenience). If they call you, you have exactly 2 hours to arrive in operations, ready to fly. When you get done with an assignment, you must call to ask mommy if you can go home, during which time there's a better than even chance that they'll ask you to just hang around and call them back in an hour (for no additional pay). Up to 6 days per month you'll have to drive to the airport and sit around for 8 hours in operations on "ready reserve" (for basically no extra pay). They'll find a way to make you show up on just about every day you are on reserve, with no idea when you'll be home again, but you'll rarely make more money than guarantee. Compare that to line-holders, who work fewer days and earn perhaps 20% more pay, with a known schedule, and you'll understand why people complain. Sometimes, though, yes, you can end up staying at home and still get paid. Hope this answers your question.

 

[HA25]

back in 1996 when ASA picked me up, the then Chief Pilot, Pat Y. didn't even crack my logbook open..... he just sat there and chewed the fat with me for 10 min telling me how I'll be a DAL pilot in 3 years if I work for ASA and I got the job offer 2 days later...

Supply = Demand

At that time they couldn't find enough pilots for their expansion..

 

[rumpletumbler]

Thanks for that information. I really appreciate you taking the time to explain in such detail.

 

[paid4training]

Yea ASA will hire u with crap in your logbook but don't fail a check ride 10 years and 1200 hrs ago!!!! I have over 1500 tt with 140 multi and over 50 hrs king air f-90 time... I guess that's not good enough for them. Oh well I will just have to continue to make 2x what a 2 yr FO make flying ten days a month!!!!

 

[JustaNumber]

I imagine checkride failures are a whole different thing, due to new legal liabilities since the Colgan crash, where Colgan had knowingly hired the captain with a whole slew of failures in his record. It just doesn't look good to the jurors in a passenger wrongful death suit if a company knowingly hires someone with a record of failures. Can you still have one or two failures in your record and still be hired? I don't know, but I guess the more desperate the regionals become for ATP qualified bodies to fill seats, the more risk they will be willing to take. If you still want to work here, try again when they're having trouble filling classes.

 

[say again]

Yea ASA will hire u with crap in your logbook but don't fail a check ride 10 years and 1200 hrs ago!!!! I have over 1500 tt with 140 multi and over 50 hrs king air f-90 time... I guess that's not good enough for them. Oh well I will just have to continue to make 2x what a 2 yr FO make flying ten days a month!!!!

Did you get an interview? Something else may have been the issue

 

[paid4training]

Nope, never applied. I was just told and then I lucked out flying corporate king air 10 days a month making $40k a year!!!

I think I'm better off right now anyway!!! Their loss as far I'm concerned!!!

 

[silver02ex]

UAL made a big deal out of my log book error during an interview in 1996. As a 10,000 hour pilot, I had under reported my hours. My bubble sheet had 26 hours less than my logbook totals, they really jumped on my inattention to detail. It was a math error a Navy Admin guy made while putting my hours in my paper Navy logbook 30 years before.

One of the best things ever happened to me was at age 53 was not being hired by UAL in 1996. I would have never made CA, taken a pay cut as a F/O and had my retirement ripped apart, then kicked to the curb at age 60. JUS has been a much better deal

I was told the same thing about how UAL and how they want the logbook to appear. There is a senior CA here at Pinnacle that went to an interview in 2000. The person who was interviewing him gave him such a hard time about his logbook that lead to a big argument to the point that the CA walked out of the interview.

 

[wms]

Nope, never applied. I was just told and then I lucked out flying corporate king air 10 days a month making $40k a year!!!

I think I'm better off right now anyway!!! Their loss as far I'm concerned!!!

I agree. Take the corporate job for now, then see what the majors are doing in a couple years. I'm the only one I flew charter with that went to a regional. Everyone I flew charter/corporate with is at a major and I'm still here. The upside is they have been furloughed or at the bottom and I've flown and earned more over the last ten years. But I still would've rather been furloughed from a major than been abused at a regional.

PS. Failed check rides won't keep you from getting hired at any airline. It all depends on how you explain them and have you learned from them.

 

[Skaff]

First time Colgan looked at my logbook was when I went to upgrade.

Maybe if more people gave a ********************, Colgan would still be around.

 

[JustaNumber]

Maybe if more people gave a ********************, Colgan would still be around.

Well said. The whole "hide the substandard company beneath a Connection/Express/Eagle/etc. veneer" scam (and it is indeed a fraudulent scam on the unsuspecting public) does eventually fail when it things are rotten enough. Mother Nature always wins, and those who should die, do.