Locking on the Ramp

[2EASYPilot]

Yup, just you.

Well. leaving an unattended jet engine running just does not seem prudent...there is no fire protection in our aircraft just shut down if normal paramaters are exceeded but once again maybe others view this differently.

 

[MaxTorque]

We also lock up when out of the immediate area of the plane and never run the APU unattended. So it isn't just you.

MT

 

[Galaxy]

I just got in the habbit of locking every single time. If I am not going to be in sight of the door then I will close and lock it. Takes like a second to do on smaller planes-a few seconds more on large airframes.
If I am leaving the airport for overnight or even to get food then I even pin the emer door. No, I have never forgot to remove it as it has a huge remove b4 flight flag.
If I leave it at an airport without 24 hr security, 24 hr tower and no fence I even use security tape on the doors, baggage doors and oil doors.
All this not only came after 9-11 but also after having my digital camera disappear from the cockpit. A former company of mine had a EFB disappear from the plane as well as bags of stock.
I also had a friend of mine come back from luch to find his Bose headsets were missing. Someone walking in an airplane does not look suspicious.
Protect yourself and the property you are paid to protect.
Or your next post here may just be
"I got fined by the TSA"
"Someone stole my stuff"
As far as leaving an APU running..I can't think of an airframe with an APU that is single pilot so, just get your partner to keep an eye on things while you take care of business. Without auto fire protection on an APU you may be explaining to the Airport Authority, TSA, FAA, Insurance Company and you BOSS what was SO important that one of you could not do your job.

 

[LJ45]

"I got fined by the TSA"
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What law would be broken for part 91 folks if you leave the door open on the ramp at a "secure" airport...say Teterboro?

anyone?

 

[FishHunter]

Ok, so for all you locking fanatics, the "anytime the plane is out of our view" deal seems a bit ridiculous. Two questions, first, is it locked when the APU is running and you're well out of view in the fbo?

Second, do all of you guys also lock the emergency exit? And for those of you that do, how many have forgotten to unlock said exit? Be honest!

Are you serious? Apu running , doors unlocked, aircraft unattended?

You're crazy. Never leave the airplane unattended with the APU running. You shut a door...lock it. It's not about security, it's common sense!

Some of you guys worry me.....

 

[stupidpilot]

Mosty of the APU's I've used have some sort of automatic shutdown in case of a fire but won't self-deploy the extinguishing agent. So, not so smart to leave the "P" running unattended. I think locking the aircraft is a measure designed to deter easy access to the aircraft. No planes I've been in have pins for the emergency exits to prevent them from being opened on the ground. I'm sure it would look alot more suspicious with a guy trying to get in the emergency exit rather than just walking up & opening the regular door.

 

[NGT]

Yup, just you.

Very few APU's have auto shut down/ auto extiguish/ and horn to notify of a fire (LR45 only one I've had). Also No APU I've ever used has had a Gen Off line warning unless you have auto shed of the Nav lights and are lucky enough to notice it. I once had the APU bleed duct seperate on the ground while being monitored and the only indication was amber Inverter Hot followed by Aft Bay Hot and dang near destroyed the airplane(GIII). Don't leave the APU unattended unless you cary spare batteries(I doubt you do) or have enough in savings to replace the aircraft(gross negligance, which I know first hand the insurance company will investigate!)!

TEB and some other airports require a second means of disabling the aircraft i.e. disconnect and lock batteries or remove and store nose steering pin,

P.S. JJK rules!!(TWA '92-98)

 

[Raskal]

Very few APU's have auto shut down/ auto extiguish/ and horn to notify of a fire (LR45 only one I've had). Also No APU I've ever used has had a Gen Off line warning unless you have auto shed of the Nav lights and are lucky enough to notice it. I once had the APU bleed duct seperate on the ground while being monitored and the only indication was amber Inverter Hot followed by Aft Bay Hot and dang near destroyed the airplane(GIII). Don't leave the APU unattended unless you cary spare batteries(I doubt you do) or have enough in savings to replace the aircraft(gross negligance, which I know first hand the insurance company will investigate!)!

TEB and some other airports require a second means of disabling the aircraft i.e. disconnect and lock batteries or remove and store nose steering pin,

P.S. JJK rules!!(TWA '92-98)

Hey,

Thanks for the reply-and you know we don't carry spare batteries any more than when you were here.

That said, two things-First, I agree about the unattended issue-when I was introduced to this practice my reaction was the same as all of you, rather surprised. But, the reality is that is generally how it's done here. The importance of "standing tall" and "being ready" for the pax overrides a great many things it seems.

Now, very rarely is the aircraft out of "view" per say, almost all FBO's offer a vantage point that allows observation, but leave a guy on the aircraft the whole time? Not gonna happen in many of our cases.

So, with all the honesty laid out, the second thing is that I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe the number of people speaking up and saying "no way". I may agree with it, but I'm on large busy ramps all the time and the number of times I see an airplane with the apu running, door open, curtain drawn, and no pilots out there WAY outnumber the occupied aircraft. Maybe you guys who truly stay on the airplane have different situations, but have you ever been to TEB? Go for a walk next time and take a good look, attended apu's are an exception by far.

So, unless this is a BS "maybe my boss or the feds might read this" thread, give me a break.

PS-The aircraft is always locked if we leave the fbo, no exceptions, but not the emergency door-I'm assuming that is similar for many. I'm only referring to the "active waiting" stage, when the pax is 3 hours late with no call (you know, a normal day).

 

[2EASYPilot]

Hey,

Thanks for the reply-and you know we don't carry spare batteries any more than when you were here.

That said, two things-First, I agree about the unattended issue-when I was introduced to this practice my reaction was the same as all of you, rather surprised. But, the reality is that is generally how it's done here. The importance of "standing tall" and "being ready" for the pax overrides a great many things it seems.

Now, very rarely is the aircraft out of "view" per say, almost all FBO's offer a vantage point that allows observation, but leave a guy on the aircraft the whole time? Not gonna happen in many of our cases.

So, with all the honesty laid out, the second thing is that I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe the number of people speaking up and saying "no way". I may agree with it, but I'm on large busy ramps all the time and the number of times I see an airplane with the apu running, door open, curtain drawn, and no pilots out there WAY outnumber the occupied aircraft. Maybe you guys who truly stay on the airplane have different situations, but have you ever been to TEB? Go for a walk next time and take a good look, attended apu's are an exception by far.

So, unless this is a BS "maybe my boss or the feds might read this" thread, give me a break.

PS-The aircraft is always locked if we leave the fbo, no exceptions, but not the emergency door-I'm assuming that is similar for many. I'm only referring to the "active waiting" stage, when the pax is 3 hours late with no call (you know, a normal day).

As the commencial says..."individual results may vary" but this is "no bs" we do not leave an unattended apu. However having said that, we are blessed with passengers that keep a schedule and vary seldom have the need to spend hours on standby waiting for them to show.

 

[TXGold]

I once flew for a 135 outfit that left the APU running. That says enough for the company. Once I figured it out, I can't believe I ever did such a thing. As stated before, I don't know of many planes that have a way of deploying any Halon without a finger.

As for locking the plane, there is always the emergency exits that will be unlocked. But why not do the best you can. After reading this thread, I plan to lock the plane more often than we already do.

 

[FishHunter]

Believe it or not....

If one guy needs to go in the FBO to take a leak, the other comes out and monitors the aircraft. Pain in the ass, but it's better than explaining why the airplanes on fire.

Yeah, I know, how many times has that happened? Well, all I can say is that Murphy guy and I are good friends!