Liberals Rejoice

[Brett Hull]

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Originally posted by sqwkvfr
...the list of people that I think can of that were/are bigger than the country they were/are running is short and ugly.
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Very interesting...and totally irrelevant. See, we were talking about the United States, sqwk...Brett said "this country."

For the record, I didn't say that GWB is bigger than the Country. I didn't even imply that he was on the same level as those posted by sqwkvfr.

What I did say is that there are those on this forum who would rejoice in the country being renamed "The United States of George W Bush". And that, my friends, is sad.

Originally posted by FN FAL

Speaking of Democrats, what the hell is up with Democrat Attorney Generals anyway?

Our governor (D) is a psycho ex-state Atty General, then you got his current Atty General Peg Lautenschlager (D) that was fined for using a state car on personal business while getting her DWI from the state patrol.

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pione...sin/8259348.htm

Then Minnesota Attorney General Mike Hatch's (D) kids go down to Chicago and make asses out of themselves. I don't think the cops down there are going to take it lightly either.

If I was the cop that got struck, not only would I not let my prosecutors office drop the Assaulting an Officer charge, but I would sue her little ass just on general principle.

Here's a link to the story on the little liberal rich kids that can't hold their liquor....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/28/a...y.daughters.ap/

And I'm sure a republican has never abused alcohol, or have improperly used a government car.


Thanks for the complement, Typhoon1244. At least someone else around here sees the big picture.

 

[kevdog]

Hey, I'm wondering...does Bush take it in the a$$?

 

[fugghedabowdit]

Bush is not perfect, but he is definitely the lesser evil.

While running his primary campaign in SC, Bush was in a must win situation. The Bush campaign then called McCain supporters and informed them that McCain was the father of a black child. Bush won the state. This not only defines evil to me but it says alot about republicans in SC. By the way, McCain is the father of a black child, Bridgette, one he adopted from Bangladesh.

 

[inline]

Re: Re: Bart: The Shameless Instigator

Anyone else notice that when Dubya spins around his head stays straight, like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. He really is Satan. (no offense to you, flightinfo.com user Satan).

Here's my question: Why do you guys have such incredibly strong loyalty to GWB? What has this one man done for you? This country is bigger than the man running it. I get the impression that, if GWB keeled over and died of a heart attack, some of you would crawl in a hole and start babbling incoherently about the end of the world. Why will some of you die hard conservatives not admit that some of his policies are just plain wrong? The Patriot Act, for example.

Please don't call me a liberal John Kerry supporting tree hugger. He's an idiot, too. And Bill Clinton, and......

IMHO, not that it matters, we would be a helluva lot better off if we would ditch the labels (conservative and liberal) and start holding the politicians accountable for their actions, instead of blindly following them because they hide under the Elephant or Jackass symbol.

There hasn't been any abuses of the Patriot Act ( in fact Sen Diane Feinstein, Dem. from Ca. and Sen Joe Biden-Dem, and other leftists have admitted as much) the govmt uses the same powers to surveil organized crime figures and last time I checked most criminals were U.S. citizens. Don't remember any leftists bemoaning criminals "rights." GWB may not have all the answers, but after 9/11 the terrorist community who orchestrated the slaughter of 3000 civilians in this country got aquinted with B-52s and cruise missiles. That's good enough for me. We should all thank our lucky stars that Al Gore wasn't the Pres when the terrorists hit us. He would have capitulated like the Spanish just did.

 

[mar]

Incorrecto!

The Spanish govt has not capitulated. They got thrown out.

The new govt has yet to make a move.

Or maybe you're talking about the Spanish people? Well they had their opinions all along didn't they?

See what happens when a govt pushes their own agenda?

Shame, shame.

 

[barnyard]

Liberal Radio Programming Schedule

Topics of Today:

1) We hate President Bush!
2) We need to raise taxes!
3) We hate President Bush!
4) Paying too much for gas? Blame haliburton!
5) Saddam was much better at running Iraq
6) 9/11 was President Bush's fault!
7) Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand and the clintons are real american heroes!
8) We hate Bush!
9) John Kerry would be an excellent president!
10) There is no liberal media!
11) We hate Bush!

 

[Satan]

12) Where are the WMDs?
13) Will the cretins promote creationism?

 

[fugghedabowdit]

Inline, do you really think that if Gore was President during 9/11 we wouldn't have gone into Afghanistan? Give me a break. And I guess if a Democrat was President during Pearl Harbor we wouldn't have declared war on the Japanese. Oh, wait a minute...

 

[FN FAL]

Bush's administration has a better handle on what needs to be done to fight terrorism than some people would believe.

And yes it's true, up front the patriot act may seem kind of scary to people that believe in alien conspiracy theories, chem trails, big foot, loch ness monsters and boogie men, but the assault on civil liberties percieved to be ensconced in the USA Patriot Act, only affect terrorists and criminals.

Had the Bush administration wished to show a distrust of THE PEOPLE he would have placed restrictions affecting second amendment rights in the act, which he didn't. It is the Democrats that distrust the people and that is why they push for laws that curtail individual rights such as ludicrust gun banning laws.

The government doesn't have the manpower, the technology or the funds right now to waste it's efforts on sleuthing the internet or the phone lines to harass innocent people.

Terrorism isn't a war that is going to go away soon and our enemies are many. Our country and it's way of life are a beacon to those that envy us and they will stop at nothing to see us suffer loss of innocent lives, disruptions to our transportation and destruction of our industry and private property.

 

[blueridge71]

While running his primary campaign in SC, Bush was in a must win situation. The Bush campaign then called McCain supporters and informed them that McCain was the father of a black child. Bush won the state. This not only defines evil to me but it says alot about republicans in SC. By the way, McCain is the father of a black child, Bridgette, one he adopted from Bangladesh.

I havn't heard this, but in the 2000 election, my mother-in-law, a middle school teacher in Georgia, told me that a lot of the black kids in her class were terrified of the prospect of George W. Bush becoming president. When she talked to them, she found that someone had been telling them that if Dubya were elected that he would enslave the black people again.

Telling lies like that to little kids is one of the lowest things that I can think of.

Bush won Georgia in spite of it.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Terrorism isn't a war that is going to go away soon and our enemies are many.

I agree. The real issue, though, is that the "War on Terror" creates more terrorists than it destroys. Every dead Osama leaves behind angry children, brothers, cousins, etc. What's the answer? Kill all of them? Genocide?

I've got a better idea: we can find oil elsewhere, and the IAF has proven on several occasions that they can hold their own against the best of them. It's time to sever ties with the Saudis and the Israelis (while reserving the right to monitor the region). Let's disentangle ourselves from the M.E., and I'll bet we'll have a lot fewer exploding airliners and subway trains. In the long run, our country would be better off.

 

[jarhead]

Typhoon 1244

You say you have a better idea......"We can find oil eleswhere" Much as I'd like to think that we as a nation could live without OPEC oil, I think your idea of finding it elsewhere is a little bit of wishful thinking. If we could just "find it elesewhere", why wouldn't that be being done now? The only small elswhere's under the control of the USA, are the ANWR and off shore drilling in the gulf, and off the coast of California (to my knowledge) And, if the environmentalists stopped fighting that, it would be a mere drop in the bucket. China coming on board as a developing country will only drive the price of crude up, as they compete for energy, with their 1 billion people. If you have an "elsewhere" in mind for oil, I'd sure like to know where that "elsewhere" is located.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Typhoon 1244

Much as I'd like to think that we as a nation could live without OPEC oil, I think your idea of finding it elsewhere is a little bit of wishful thinking.

Let's not forget that putting a man on the moon was "wishful thinking" too. Americans can accomplish an awful lot when we put our minds to it. (Well, that used to be the case...I don't know if it still is.)

Look at Siberia...gobs of oil out there...it's a bitch to get to, but it's there. So, Russia has oil and no food. We have food and no oil.

And let's not forget that there are other sources of energy besides oil. As A-Squared pointed out elsewhere, it's going to take a lot of work to make some of them efficient...but again, consider men on the moon. It was very hard, but we did it.

Wouldn't it be nice to be able to tell the Saudi oil-sheiks to take a flying leap?

 

[jarhead]

I feel your pain, Typhoon. I wish with all my heart that all it would take is desire and effort. It would be nice if I still had faith in the 'tooth fairy' and St. Nick, but alas, no amount of wishing will make that happen.

You speak to the crude oil in Russia. Do you know that the Chinese are making contracts now for that oil? They will be our biggest competition for that global resource.

The US has the largest coal reserves in the world. Coal can be made to produce gas (Sasol) South Africa has made gasoline from coal oil for 20 years or so. The problem (if it is one) is that it is expensive in the process. Gas in Johannesburg 20 years ago was over $4.00 a gallon. Add inflation to that and it's much more now.

We (The USA) have the technology for lots of electrical energy. Nuclear power. The problem is political. No new nuclear plant has been licensed for over 20 years. That's a political problem.....not an economic problem. There are technical solutions, but political concerns thwart a lot of them.

 

[Typhoon1244]

I feel your pain, Typhoon. I wish with all my heart that all it would take is desire and effort. It would be nice if I still had faith in the 'tooth fairy' and St. Nick, but alas, no amount of wishing will make that happen.

Well, if you believe George W. can win the war on terror, why not throw in the Tooth Fairy too?

You speak to the crude oil in Russia. Do you know that the Chinese are making contracts now for that oil? They will be our biggest competition for that global resource.

I was not aware of that. Interesting.

The problem is political. There are technical solutions, but political concerns thwart a lot of them.

Agreed.

So...what? Should we just resign ourselves to the belief that our nation will be on OPEC's leash for the rest of its existence? Is that good enough for everybody? The alternatives are either too difficult, too political, or too expensive initially, so we just give up?

I'm so proud...

 

[jarhead]

Typhoon,

No, I do not believe GWB can win the war in Iraq, so my tooth fairy analogy still stands. However, the war on terror is a different ball game....we were attacked by OBL and his cadre. That war is just......the one in Iraq is not (IMO) We were mislead by our administration about WMD, and I hold GWB accountable for that lie, that has as of today claimed the #600 soldier's life. Thousands more are maimed for life.

That said, we as a nation, need to solve an increasing problem with energy. The political system will not solve that. Free, American enterprise is our best hope. Bush, Kerry, and Nader combined don't have the smarts to do anything but pander to the populace.

 

[enigma]

Re: Typhoon,

We were mislead by our administration about WMD, and I hold GWB accountable for that lie, that has as of today claimed the #600 soldier's life. Thousands more are maimed for life.

I'm not so sure that we were mislead by our administration as much as I am sure that the entire world was mislead. For a long time, the entire world, including the American Democratics, the UN, Europe, etc all believed that Iraq had WMD.
I do wish that President Bush had waited a little longer to send troops into harms way, but I can't sit here and let you imply that the presence of WMD was purely false. I don't know what happened to them, but they were there at one time. Hussein had not properly accounted for the WMD, and refused to show where they had been destroyed.

BTW, I stay pi$$ed off at the conservatives who attempt to justify the Iraq war by noting how much better off the Iraqi population is now that we removed Saddam. I don't consider the Iraqi people our responsibility.


regards,
enigma

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Typhoon,

No, I do not believe GWB can win the war in Iraq.... However, the war on terror is a different ball game...

How? Don't you agree that the memory of every deas terrorists breeds five more? How do you fight the anger inside the heads of a people?

Where will it end?

(Jesus, I'm starting to sound like a flower-child.)

Make no mistake: when I saw the Twin Towers fall, I wanted to be among those pickling bombs in the Middle East. I wanted to start dropping bombs in Yemen, head on up toward Syria, and not stop until we got to Pakistan. That would have satisfied my need for revenge...and fueled someone elses.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: Re: Typhoon,

...I stay pi$$ed off at the conservatives who attempt to justify the Iraq war by noting how much better off the Iraqi population is now that we removed Saddam. I don't consider the Iraqi people our responsibility.

Nor are they that much better off. Now they have different problems.

 

[jarhead]

Enigma....I agree with you

Typhoon.....I will not turn the other cheek. One dead terrorist is one fewer to try to kill me. I am not Ghandi....I am an old Marine.

 

[Typhoon1244]

...I will not turn the other cheek.

Nor would I want you to. I don't want to...but the result is that this "War on Terror" is going to last not until the next administration, but for many generations.

 

[jarhead]

Yeah, life's a b!tch. Nirvana will be reached when pigs fly. Until then, I guess we all have to get along the best we can, realize that there is injustice in the world, and know that we all just have our 'four score and seven' (if we're lucky) to live our lives, make our mark (as small or large as it may be) and then go on to the happy hunting ground. That's the way it has always been. You win some.....you lose some.

 

[bart]

It is a myth that:

the memory of every dead terrorists breeds five more?

You have to come at it in a three pronged approach.

1) Kill the terrorists

2) Kill the sponsoring governments

3) Help the population of recruits see they are the cause of their problems and to quit blaming others

It has been known for some time that terrorism is a way of making war by proxy. It is a low risk, cheap way to fight a war without direct involvement. The Arab countires have been using it for 30+ years to fight Israel and the US.

I keep saying and will keep saying that it will not be over until we TCOB in Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran at a minimum. Destroying the political power of religious leaders should be central to our strategy there if we want a lasting victory.

The muslim religion has been subverted by radicals, and until the good muslims choose to do something about it, they are more or less screwed in the deal.

 

[Typhoon1244]

It is a myth that [the memory of every dead terrorists breeds five more].

I don't think any citizen of Madrid would agree with you.

You have to come at it in a three pronged approach.

1) Kill the terrorists

In progress.

2) Kill the sponsoring governments

Working on that.

3) Help the population of recruits see they are the cause of their problems and to quit blaming others.

This is where this plan falls apart. We (the U.S.) can't even do that with our own citizens. What makes you think we can accomplish this with other cultures?

...it will not be over until we TCOB in Syria, Saudi Arabia and Iran at a minimum.

TCOB?

The muslim religion has been subverted by radicals, and until the good muslims choose to do something about it, they are more or less screwed in the deal.

Amen...er, I mean right on, bro.

 

[Brett Hull]

TCOB?

Take Care of Bidness.

 

[Snakum]

Liberals usually can only support an argument with name calling, lying and their favorite: shouting down conflicting viewpoints.

Not on this board. Here, the converse is most decidely true.

Minh

 

[Herman Bloom]

Liberals usually can only support an argument with name calling, lying and their favorite: shouting down conflicting viewpoints.

Come on. Any person who believes this (or, for that matter, that the opposite is ALWAYS true) is not really thinking. It's just plain un-American.

Stop being such a partisan chump.