Let's hear from the old schoolers

[Swass]

I want some more tales from the old school.

A squared, Av, Catbird (if you still post here) and others please post some good stories (like Duke used to).

We need 'em, this place is getting too far away from the FI it used to be.

 

[avbug]

Still here, but posting less. The site has degenerated into a "younger" mindset...largely seems to be posters who fit the baseball cap, backpack, ipod, regional f/o from embry riddle crowd...the ones who think they own the world and know all about it. Lots of language and talk that sounds like a fourteen year old, rather than a professional pilot, a little too much machisimo, not enough substance. It would be nice to see things improve, but much of the "talent" has slipped away to other locations where the atmosphere is considerably more professional.

 

[Say Again Over]

That wasn't a story, sounded more like a complaint.

 

[The_Russian]

Still here, but posting less. The site has degenerated into a "younger" mindset...largely seems to be posters who fit the baseball cap, backpack, ipod, regional f/o from embry riddle crowd...the ones who think they own the world and know all about it. Lots of language and talk that sounds like a fourteen year old, rather than a professional pilot, a little too much machisimo, not enough substance.

Posting less? You mean not posting at all unless you are arguing with another member? Seems to me that you fit your description perfectly. The typical jackass who has to prove his chest is bigger than all the rest. Your kind is the reason all the new meat shys away. God forbid a youthful pilot should disagree with your massive knowledge base and be right about it. Not to mention having a disagreement with your opinion. Geez! Don't want to do that now. Next time you bring "substance" to the table, we will let you talk.

It would be nice to see things improve, but much of the "talent" has slipped away to other locations where the atmosphere is considerably more professional.

"Talent"? HA! Every board is exactly the same. The same types of posters are present with the same material. You expect everyone to be professional, yet you act like an assbag every time you post. Professional? Go figure.

 

[Fearless Tower]

I think Russian just illustrated Avbug's point quite well

 

[The_Russian]

I think Russian just illustrated Avbug's point quite well

Absolutely not. I think that the "more experienced" pilots on here tend to forget where they came from. Not to mention that they forgot how they learned valuable lessons. Avroach posts in a manner that illustrates that he never made any mistakes and that he expects the same from the youth of aviation.

Never forget where you came from. Everyone starts out unexperienced and with crap pay. You can't expect a young pilot to know the right answer or how much he should be paid for a job all of the time.

 

[cezzna]

Wow, wait a minute while I get a beer and some popcorn!

 

[sqwkvfr]

Wow, wait a minute while I get a beer and some popcorn!

Agreed!

-(sqwkvfr pulls up a chair)-

 

[Swass]

That was fun while it lasted.

 

[Swass]

Where does Catbird and the others post?

 

[UALX727]

Dude, I am a Riddle guy, what's up with that??? We are all not jerks, I went to school with some good guys back in the day.

Cezzna, awesome avatar, Satriani rocks. Sat front row in Atlanta last year for his concert there.

 

[The_Russian]

That was fun while it lasted.

Well bud, you got what you asked for:

A typical response from the avroach.

Sorry.

 

[JAFI]

The phrase "Old Schoolers" has negative overtones IMHO. Sounds like - out of date - stuck in the past - not current knowledge.

Perhaps a question like:

Would the senior hands please post one or two points or stories they think the younger pilots could learn or benefit from.

JAFI

 

[sqwkvfr]

The phrase "Old Schoolers" has negative overtones IMHO. Sounds like - out of date - stuck in the past - not current knowledge.

Perhaps a question like:

Would the senior hands please post one or two points or stories they think the younger pilots could learn or benefit from.

JAFI

I'm not with you on this one JAFI....I think in this industry it is largely understood that the "Old Schoolers" are automatically deserving of our respect......amongst most of us, anyway.

I'm 34 and I think that "senior hands" sounds a lot worse.

 

[JediNein]

Post a story and there will be at least:
five posts claiming how stupid you were for making whatever mistake
six posts claiming how they wouldn't have made that mistake
three posts claiming you are an idiot
two posts questioning your credentials, from folks with membership join dates in the last two years
eight posts solely for name-calling
two posts correcting grammar and spelling
and one post claiming that whatever would not have happened if the poster had a [pick one: college degree, union, different airline, different major, different airplane, no union, contract, MEC, boss, co-pilot, captain, and so on]

Besides, my stories from the past few years need to have some folks die of old age before they get published.

 

[Princedietrich]

Post a story and there will be at least:
five posts claiming how stupid you were for making whatever mistake
six posts claiming how they wouldn't have made that mistake
three posts claiming you are an idiot
two posts questioning your credentials, from folks with membership join dates in the last two years
eight posts solely for name-calling
two posts correcting grammar and spelling
and one post claiming that whatever would not have happened if the poster had a [pick one: college degree, union, different airline, different major, different airplane, no union, contract, MEC, boss, co-pilot, captain, and so on]

Besides, my stories from the past few years need to have some folks die of old age before they get published.

Don't forget the three "GoJets sucks!" posts and the three "Skybus must die!" posts.

 

[Princedietrich]

As much as I'd love to spin a yarn or two, I'm afraid I'll have to refrain from doing so for a couple of reasons. One, my life honestly hasn't been all that interesting and you'd all be bored silly by it. Two, I'm hesitant to refer to myself as an old-schooler. While there are plenty out there who are younger than me and have less time in the seat, there are just as many out there who make me look like a rookie. Granted, I've done my time with the "parking brake" flaps in a Cessna and learned to fly when the KNS-80 was the coolest gadget out there. But that doesn't make me a veteran by most standards.

I think it'll be tough to beat the Duke in the art of storytelling.

 

[tomgoodman]

Just sit right down

Oh, ya want stories, eh? Well, there was the time I got caught in a box canyon -- big headwind and no groundspeed -- walls too close to turn around and too high to climb out. Had to throttle 'er down and back out! Flew into a tornado once -- took full right rudder to hold heading. The F/A screamed "Oh God!", but I said "Naw, just 'Captain'." Had the cockpit fill with smoke during an ILS -- couldn't see the flight director, so I broke the glass, touched the indicators, and felt my way down. Then there was the short-field landing on a spermwhale -- oh, yeah, I already told that one. Hey, come back here! I ain't told you about the night that Santa Claus got lost and I had to join up ......

 

[JediNein]

I ain't told you about the night that Santa Claus got lost and I had to join up ......

Good one!

 

[Say Again Over]

As much as I'd love to spin a yarn or two, I'm afraid I'll have to refrain from doing so for a couple of reasons. One, my life honestly hasn't been all that interesting and you'd all be bored silly by it. Two, I'm hesitant to refer to myself as an old-schooler. While there are plenty out there who are younger than me and have less time in the seat, there are just as many out there who make me look like a rookie. Granted, I've done my time with the "parking brake" flaps in a Cessna and learned to fly when the KNS-80 was the coolest gadget out there. But that doesn't make me a veteran by most standards.

I think it'll be tough to beat the Duke in the art of storytelling.
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With this resume I would hope you have a few you can share, Tom, very funny.

 

[avbug]

Your kind is the reason all the new meat shys away.

If you see participants here as "meat," then I believe you've found the source of the problem. I can't say I'm surprised that it's you, however.

Dude, I am a Riddle guy, what's up with that???

The fact that you started your sentence with "dude" pretty much sums up the answer now, doesn't it?

What woud you say if you weren't a college graduate?

Never forget where you came from. Everyone starts out unexperienced and with crap pay.

Or in your case, buying your job with an operation where you pay others to go to work.

Of course, not everyone lacks the integrity to go that route. But we do all remember where *you* came from.

HA! Every board is exactly the same.

Actually, no. The "other" site is far more mature, far more professional, and surprise of surprises, your name does come up from time to time, but never in a complimentary way. Generally, in fact, in the manner in which you're known...as a joke.

You expect everyone to be professional,

Yes. Except for you. I've never expected that of you, and I've never been disappointed.

I expect entertainment of you, and you're seldom a disappointment in that regard. Like now, for example.

 

[country]

Still here, but posting less. The site has degenerated into a "younger" mindset...largely seems to be posters who fit the baseball cap, backpack, ipod, regional f/o from embry riddle crowd...the ones who think they own the world and know all about it. Lots of language and talk that sounds like a fourteen year old, rather than a professional pilot, a little too much machisimo, not enough substance. It would be nice to see things improve, but much of the "talent" has slipped away to other locations where the atmosphere is considerably more professional.

I agree with you avbug. I hate to think this board has degenerated into a mere shadow of itself, but the ugly truth is ...it has.
Its sad, this used to be a great group of professionals trying to help each other gain knowledge about the industry and job prospects. I really don't know what we have here now. Please, could you post or p.m. some of the other boards you feel are professional and geared towards the good of aviaiton and the people involved in it.
thx Country

 

[Swass]

Include me as well.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Absolutely not. I think that the "more experienced" pilots on here tend to forget where they came from. Not to mention that they forgot how they learned valuable lessons. Avroach posts in a manner that illustrates that he never made any mistakes and that he expects the same from the youth of aviation.

Never forget where you came from. Everyone starts out unexperienced and with crap pay. You can't expect a young pilot to know the right answer or how much he should be paid for a job all of the time.

I think the point that avbug was making is how these young regional pilots come fresh out of the f/o mills (like Riddle) and think they've got it all figured out. It's more about the attitude and mindset they possess as opposed to their actual flying skills. It's obvious they can pass a PC, as we all know they must have to ability to display a certain level of proficiency in the simulator. Even though they're young punks, many of them are very good pilots..but that is not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the spoiled know it all attitude, backpack toting, ipod wearin', spiky hair, sunglasses worn on the back of the neck instead on the face, cellphone plastered to the ear, Ritalin kid wonderpilot from the Paris Hilton generation. Some of these kids can't even clean up after themselves in the cockpit, as they are used to their mommy's doing it for them.
You have to remember that the older pilots came from a different generation than these young punks that run around acting like Paris Hilton. Sure, every older seasoned pilot was once an inexperienced newhire earning low pay. Trust me, they haven't forgotten where they came from. The difference is that when these older pilots were first starting out, they were humble, eager to learn newhires that didn't have the "I own the world" attitude that today's newhires have.

 

[Princedietrich]

While this won't be the sort of mind-blowing literary masterpiece that the Duke would amaze us with, I think it may be worth a chuckle or two. Plus, I figured it would be nice to submit an aviation tale to a thread about aviation tales that needs to be diverted from the fist fight it is turning into.

I witnessed this one just yesterday. A Commander 112TC pulls onto the ramp at the fbo, and after the line guy puts the chocks and red carpet down a pair of official-looking gentlemen start to walk up to the plane. The door of the plane pops open and two pilots and a puppy emerge. One of the gentlemen on the ramp greets the pilot with a hearty "good afternoon," while the pilot returns the greeting and requests a top-off, a tie-down, and a rental car. He obviously hadn't seen the 110A that was being presented.

I can't say that I've ever seen a more perplexed look on a person's face than the look that fed had after this exchange. Afterward he went up to the counter at the FBO and jokingly put in for an hour's pay for a customer service rep.

 

[pilotyip]

Story?

Here is a story, lets see what kind of replys it generates? While giving tours on our squadron static display P-3 located at Selfridge ANGB, I told a story of operating against the Soviets during the "Cold War". We were flying Patrols out of BDA and KEF to confront the Soviet Submarine force. After telling the story a voice in broken English came from a lady in the tour group. She said "Thank you, thank you, thank you. I thank God every night for you, All my life I prayed that you would never give into the Russian’s. The Russians very very bad to the Czechs, they did terrible things to us, killed my friends, now thanks to the United States they are gone and I have my freedom to visit and live in your great country”

 

[Princedietrich]

Ok here's a good one that got a huge laugh out of a room full of airline trainees. It was a couple weeks into ground school for an airline job I had a few years back. We had 3 engineers (myself among them), 3 FOs, and 2 captains. The current phase of ground school was 727 systems.

I can't remember exactly what the component is or what system it's tied to, but there is a push-pull type control under the lower part of the captain's control panel. It does something with either cockpit ventilation or windscreen defogging, unfortunately my brain has deleted that particular bit of information. Anyway, the instructor was going through his spiel about what this control does and how the FO may have to utilize it at times.

One of the trainees asks "So we just lean over and pull the captain's knob?"

We all started snickering, but the instructor was completely oblivious to the joke. "Yeah, it's right there between his legs."

With that the entire room erupted with laughter, and it still took the instructor a few seconds before he finally got it.

 

[The_Russian]

Shut up Avbug.

You have just helped to prove that some of the the "old guys" do a great job ruining most of the good threads on this website. More so than the newbies. Just refer to the FIRST response on this whole thread, and then take a good look at yourself.

 

[The_Russian]

I think the point that avbug was making is how these young regional pilots come fresh out of the f/o mills (like Riddle) and think they've got it all figured out. It's more about the attitude and mindset they possess as opposed to their actual flying skills. It's obvious they can pass a PC, as we all know they must have to ability to display a certain level of proficiency in the simulator. Even though they're young punks, many of them are very good pilots..but that is not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the spoiled know it all attitude, backpack toting, ipod wearin', spiky hair, sunglasses worn on the back of the neck instead on the face, cellphone plastered to the ear, Ritalin kid wonderpilot from the Paris Hilton generation. Some of these kids can't even clean up after themselves in the cockpit, as they are used to their mommy's doing it for them.
You have to remember that the older pilots came from a different generation than these young punks that run around acting like Paris Hilton. Sure, every older seasoned pilot was once an inexperienced newhire earning low pay. Trust me, they haven't forgotten where they came from. The difference is that when these older pilots were first starting out, they were humble, eager to learn newhires that didn't have the "I own the world" attitude that today's newhires have.

Agreed.

However, I don't believe they are polluting FI.com as much as the avroach insists they are. Some of the old guys on this website are the kids that you describe, just all grown up now. You can see from their posts that they haven't changed with experience.

 

[The_Russian]

Ok here's a good one that got a huge laugh out of a room full of airline trainees. It was a couple weeks into ground school for an airline job I had a few years back. We had 3 engineers (myself among them), 3 FOs, and 2 captains. The current phase of ground school was 727 systems.

I can't remember exactly what the component is or what system it's tied to, but there is a push-pull type control under the lower part of the captain's control panel. It does something with either cockpit ventilation or windscreen defogging, unfortunately my brain has deleted that particular bit of information. Anyway, the instructor was going through his spiel about what this control does and how the FO may have to utilize it at times.

One of the trainees asks "So we just lean over and pull the captain's knob?"

We all started snickering, but the instructor was completely oblivious to the joke. "Yeah, it's right there between his legs."

With that the entire room erupted with laughter, and it still took the instructor a few seconds before he finally got it.

:laugh: