Let's hear from the old schoolers

[avbug]

Your kind is the reason all the new meat shys away.

If you see participants here as "meat," then I believe you've found the source of the problem. I can't say I'm surprised that it's you, however.

Dude, I am a Riddle guy, what's up with that???

The fact that you started your sentence with "dude" pretty much sums up the answer now, doesn't it?

What woud you say if you weren't a college graduate?

Never forget where you came from. Everyone starts out unexperienced and with crap pay.

Or in your case, buying your job with an operation where you pay others to go to work.

Of course, not everyone lacks the integrity to go that route. But we do all remember where *you* came from.

HA! Every board is exactly the same.

Actually, no. The "other" site is far more mature, far more professional, and surprise of surprises, your name does come up from time to time, but never in a complimentary way. Generally, in fact, in the manner in which you're known...as a joke.

You expect everyone to be professional,

Yes. Except for you. I've never expected that of you, and I've never been disappointed.

I expect entertainment of you, and you're seldom a disappointment in that regard. Like now, for example.

 

[country]

Still here, but posting less. The site has degenerated into a "younger" mindset...largely seems to be posters who fit the baseball cap, backpack, ipod, regional f/o from embry riddle crowd...the ones who think they own the world and know all about it. Lots of language and talk that sounds like a fourteen year old, rather than a professional pilot, a little too much machisimo, not enough substance. It would be nice to see things improve, but much of the "talent" has slipped away to other locations where the atmosphere is considerably more professional.

I agree with you avbug. I hate to think this board has degenerated into a mere shadow of itself, but the ugly truth is ...it has.
Its sad, this used to be a great group of professionals trying to help each other gain knowledge about the industry and job prospects. I really don't know what we have here now. Please, could you post or p.m. some of the other boards you feel are professional and geared towards the good of aviaiton and the people involved in it.
thx Country

 

[Swass]

Include me as well.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Absolutely not. I think that the "more experienced" pilots on here tend to forget where they came from. Not to mention that they forgot how they learned valuable lessons. Avroach posts in a manner that illustrates that he never made any mistakes and that he expects the same from the youth of aviation.

Never forget where you came from. Everyone starts out unexperienced and with crap pay. You can't expect a young pilot to know the right answer or how much he should be paid for a job all of the time.

I think the point that avbug was making is how these young regional pilots come fresh out of the f/o mills (like Riddle) and think they've got it all figured out. It's more about the attitude and mindset they possess as opposed to their actual flying skills. It's obvious they can pass a PC, as we all know they must have to ability to display a certain level of proficiency in the simulator. Even though they're young punks, many of them are very good pilots..but that is not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the spoiled know it all attitude, backpack toting, ipod wearin', spiky hair, sunglasses worn on the back of the neck instead on the face, cellphone plastered to the ear, Ritalin kid wonderpilot from the Paris Hilton generation. Some of these kids can't even clean up after themselves in the cockpit, as they are used to their mommy's doing it for them.
You have to remember that the older pilots came from a different generation than these young punks that run around acting like Paris Hilton. Sure, every older seasoned pilot was once an inexperienced newhire earning low pay. Trust me, they haven't forgotten where they came from. The difference is that when these older pilots were first starting out, they were humble, eager to learn newhires that didn't have the "I own the world" attitude that today's newhires have.

 

[Princedietrich]

While this won't be the sort of mind-blowing literary masterpiece that the Duke would amaze us with, I think it may be worth a chuckle or two. Plus, I figured it would be nice to submit an aviation tale to a thread about aviation tales that needs to be diverted from the fist fight it is turning into.

I witnessed this one just yesterday. A Commander 112TC pulls onto the ramp at the fbo, and after the line guy puts the chocks and red carpet down a pair of official-looking gentlemen start to walk up to the plane. The door of the plane pops open and two pilots and a puppy emerge. One of the gentlemen on the ramp greets the pilot with a hearty "good afternoon," while the pilot returns the greeting and requests a top-off, a tie-down, and a rental car. He obviously hadn't seen the 110A that was being presented.

I can't say that I've ever seen a more perplexed look on a person's face than the look that fed had after this exchange. Afterward he went up to the counter at the FBO and jokingly put in for an hour's pay for a customer service rep.

 

[pilotyip]

Story?

Here is a story, lets see what kind of replys it generates? While giving tours on our squadron static display P-3 located at Selfridge ANGB, I told a story of operating against the Soviets during the "Cold War". We were flying Patrols out of BDA and KEF to confront the Soviet Submarine force. After telling the story a voice in broken English came from a lady in the tour group. She said "Thank you, thank you, thank you. I thank God every night for you, All my life I prayed that you would never give into the Russian’s. The Russians very very bad to the Czechs, they did terrible things to us, killed my friends, now thanks to the United States they are gone and I have my freedom to visit and live in your great country”

 

[Princedietrich]

Ok here's a good one that got a huge laugh out of a room full of airline trainees. It was a couple weeks into ground school for an airline job I had a few years back. We had 3 engineers (myself among them), 3 FOs, and 2 captains. The current phase of ground school was 727 systems.

I can't remember exactly what the component is or what system it's tied to, but there is a push-pull type control under the lower part of the captain's control panel. It does something with either cockpit ventilation or windscreen defogging, unfortunately my brain has deleted that particular bit of information. Anyway, the instructor was going through his spiel about what this control does and how the FO may have to utilize it at times.

One of the trainees asks "So we just lean over and pull the captain's knob?"

We all started snickering, but the instructor was completely oblivious to the joke. "Yeah, it's right there between his legs."

With that the entire room erupted with laughter, and it still took the instructor a few seconds before he finally got it.

 

[The_Russian]

Shut up Avbug.

You have just helped to prove that some of the the "old guys" do a great job ruining most of the good threads on this website. More so than the newbies. Just refer to the FIRST response on this whole thread, and then take a good look at yourself.

 

[The_Russian]

I think the point that avbug was making is how these young regional pilots come fresh out of the f/o mills (like Riddle) and think they've got it all figured out. It's more about the attitude and mindset they possess as opposed to their actual flying skills. It's obvious they can pass a PC, as we all know they must have to ability to display a certain level of proficiency in the simulator. Even though they're young punks, many of them are very good pilots..but that is not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about the spoiled know it all attitude, backpack toting, ipod wearin', spiky hair, sunglasses worn on the back of the neck instead on the face, cellphone plastered to the ear, Ritalin kid wonderpilot from the Paris Hilton generation. Some of these kids can't even clean up after themselves in the cockpit, as they are used to their mommy's doing it for them.
You have to remember that the older pilots came from a different generation than these young punks that run around acting like Paris Hilton. Sure, every older seasoned pilot was once an inexperienced newhire earning low pay. Trust me, they haven't forgotten where they came from. The difference is that when these older pilots were first starting out, they were humble, eager to learn newhires that didn't have the "I own the world" attitude that today's newhires have.

Agreed.

However, I don't believe they are polluting FI.com as much as the avroach insists they are. Some of the old guys on this website are the kids that you describe, just all grown up now. You can see from their posts that they haven't changed with experience.

 

[The_Russian]

Ok here's a good one that got a huge laugh out of a room full of airline trainees. It was a couple weeks into ground school for an airline job I had a few years back. We had 3 engineers (myself among them), 3 FOs, and 2 captains. The current phase of ground school was 727 systems.

I can't remember exactly what the component is or what system it's tied to, but there is a push-pull type control under the lower part of the captain's control panel. It does something with either cockpit ventilation or windscreen defogging, unfortunately my brain has deleted that particular bit of information. Anyway, the instructor was going through his spiel about what this control does and how the FO may have to utilize it at times.

One of the trainees asks "So we just lean over and pull the captain's knob?"

We all started snickering, but the instructor was completely oblivious to the joke. "Yeah, it's right there between his legs."

With that the entire room erupted with laughter, and it still took the instructor a few seconds before he finally got it.

:laugh:

 

[con-pilot]

I can't remember exactly what the component is or what system it's tied to, but there is a push-pull type control under the lower part of the captain's control panel. It does something with either cockpit ventilation or windscreen defogging,

You're pretty close. It is to redirect cockpit air to the windshield defrosting vents. However, I never could tell it did a dang thing except to make more noise.

Now, you haven't forgot the old little u and the big U have you?

 

[Princedietrich]

You're pretty close. It is to redirect cockpit air to the windshield defrosting vents. However, I never could tell it did a dang thing except to make more noise.

Now, you haven't forgot the old little u and the big U have you?

Oh how could I ever forget the little-u-big-U. There's that, the "free beer" gear horn silence handle, and the gimmick of going from the top down to make sure essential doesn't dump, all the other tricks I can't remember since I'm so long removed from the three-holer.
:beer:

God I hated that gear horn lever. Damn thing cost me a day's worth of perdiem my first trip out. :angryfire

 

[avbug]

Shut up Avbug.

As always, the professional and the lady, you are. Just not a very good one. Sadly for you, you will need to do better than that, as it's not within your purview to demand, or receive.

Just refer to the FIRST response on this whole thread, and then take a good look at yourself.

Ah. That would be the post which specifically asked me by name, and continud to state that the board isn't what it used to be. This is true, and while anyone is free to respond to any thread, I was addressed as a requested respondant, and therefore quite within my right to reply. I made my reply regarding what the board has become, and the fact that the poster is right; it is not what it once was. Perhaps you should make an effort to read the original post yourself, babushka. Or just concentrate on your comprehension skills, which have always been lacking,

Sadly, the board is filled largely with people such as yourself, those who are truly what is wrong with this industry. People with no experience but who feel they know one end of the airplane from another, people such as you who couldn't get hired but by buying your job, people who get drunk to handle the terrifying fearsome experience of seeing a landing gear light out. Look at what forums are in use at any given time, see safety with one or two, regulations with one or two, and the regional pilots forum with eighty or ninety viewing. It's become a riddle kid ipod backpacking baseball cap wearing gaggle of pilots too young to shave who say "dude" and "tool" too much.

Many of the most experienced participants, indeed most of the truly valueable contributors, have gone elsewhere. Very few of us still post here.

So far as sharing stories...certainly where applicable to a particular question or topic, but for the most part, it's become a matter of casting pearls before swine. When I say that, rusky, I'm talking about people just such as yourself. You know who you are. Or at least, some of you do.

 

[Alamanach]

Sadly, the board is filled largely with people such as yourself, those who are truly what is wrong with this industry. People with no experience but who feel they know one end of the airplane from another, people such as you who couldn't get hired but by buying your job, people who get drunk to handle the terrifying fearsome experience of seeing a landing gear light out. Look at what forums are in use at any given time, see safety with one or two, regulations with one or two, and the regional pilots forum with eighty or ninety viewing. It's become a riddle kid ipod backpacking baseball cap wearing gaggle of pilots too young to shave who say "dude" and "tool" too much.

Well shoot, as green as those guys may be, I make 'em look like Chuck Yeager. Do I have to quit posting? I rather like that I can come here and hang out with people who know more than I do. avbug, I expect you wouldn't know what that's like; judging from your posts, no one ever knows more than you. Ever. Were you born that awesome or did they have to grow you this way?

 

[pilotyip]

BTW Chuch Yeager did not have college degree

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Shut up Avbug.

You have just helped to prove that some of the the "old guys" do a great job ruining most of the good threads on this website. More so than the newbies. Just refer to the FIRST response on this whole thread, and then take a good look at yourself.

meh....get off my lawn!
(lousy kids)

CE

 

[Swass]

So much for the stories. It wasn't even until the 25th post that someone posted a story. This thread is exactly what I was talking about in the first post. A microcosm of FI right here, in one tidy thread. What's the names of the other forums again?

 

[momalley81]

So much for the stories. It wasn't even until the 25th post that someone posted a story. This thread is exactly what I was talking about in the first post. A microcosm of FI right here, in one tidy thread. What's the names of the other forums again?

We'd post it, but we're not allowed to here :-(

 

[avbug]

Well shoot, as green as those guys may be, I make 'em look like Chuck Yeager. Do I have to quit posting? I rather like that I can come here and hang out with people who know more than I do.

I don't believe I, nor anyone else here, suggested that anybody quit posting. Nothing remotely close. You cite experience, but that's really irrelevant, here. The thread began with a request for stories, and I have addressed the reason I do not post them beyond what's applicable to a specific topic in real time. The originating thread also addressed the fact that the board is not what it once was, and I have addressed that, too.

The commentary is frequently on the level of a fourteen year old. If one may attribute that to lack of flight time, so be it, but that's really your own imaginings...the board has largely become the domain of regional pilots, for better or worse. The experience level of participants has dropped substantially, to be sure, but many of the posters who formerly contributed quality material have moved elsewhere to escape what has become of this place. Few posters are able to address the thread topic, but instead quickly dive into insults and attacks. The juvinile nature of many posts (not to single anything out, but the recent spat of "human female hunting" posts is a good example) drags down the maturity quotient here to that of a mental pygmie.

Participate all you will, but by all means, do so in a constructive, professional manner. You needn't be chuck yeager, but then being chuck yeager isn't exactly a positive thing, either. Be yourself, and stick with the thread by contributing something germain to the thread. That alone will serve to improve the quality of posting here, and that will have to be enough.

 

[AngelKing]

Oh, ya want stories, eh? Well, there was the time I got caught in a box canyon -- big headwind and no groundspeed -- walls too close to turn around and too high to climb out. Had to throttle 'er down and back out! Flew into a tornado once -- took full right rudder to hold heading. The F/A screamed "Oh God!", but I said "Naw, just 'Captain'." Had the cockpit fill with smoke during an ILS -- couldn't see the flight director, so I broke the glass, touched the indicators, and felt my way down. Then there was the short-field landing on a spermwhale -- oh, yeah, I already told that one. Hey, come back here! I ain't told you about the night that Santa Claus got lost and I had to join up ......

Read this a bit ago and still LMAO.

AK