Lets be honest here, and start using some facts

[bluestreaking]

I would totally support initial base rights in DEN for F9 pilots, but once you bid out, then you lose them. Once a SWA pilot enters the DEN base, then they would retain their overall seniority over F9 pilots.

 

[RedRum]

What is your solution and how does it benefit SWA pilots?

Gup

Guppy,

You sound exactly like the entitlement crowd at Delta when we were going through our merger. Let me guess, you are at the bottom of the seniority list at WN and are looking for a windfall at someone else's expense.

Why not just be happy with what you have? Acquiring, merging, or whatever you want to call it, with F9 isn't really going to change the quality of life you enjoy today. Why try to make it hard on someone else for your gain?

There is some middle ground to be gained here. If SWA doesn't want to taint their holy "culture," then I am sure Mr. Kelly, SWAPA and FAPA can come up with some sort of resolution that is fair to all parties involved. I realize Kelly isn't the one wanting to staple the F9 pilots, it is the SWAPA pilots; however if SWA wants to maintain their financial success, and have labor peace, you cannot staple F9 pilots. Like I was saying, there is some common ground.

It's so easy to see why we have this huge health care debate going on right now. There are so many people here that feel they are entitled to something. I guess with the economy heading downhill everone is just grabbing on to whatever they can get. It is human nature, but if you TRULY, in your heart, think that you should be ahead of a F9 pilot who has been there for 10-12 years, then you are unconvinceable. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and you guys find the common ground.

Good luck

 

[learherkjay]

At least 20% WILL be furloughed, as SWA is only taking 40 out of 51 airframes.

There is a way to integrate AND offer furlough protection. You furlough out of seniority order (ie only F9 pilots get furloughed).

From what I understand, F9 Pilot to Plane ratio is higher than SWAs. Losing 10 jets wouldn't necessarily mean furlough, it just means that with the number of pilots F9 currently has, they can be more efficient with less A/C. Something like that, I am just a pilot...

 

[Cometman]

Guppy,

You sound exactly like the entitlement crowd at Delta when we were going through our merger. Let me guess, you are at the bottom of the seniority list at WN and are looking for a windfall at someone else's expense.

Why not just be happy with what you have? Acquiring, merging, or whatever you want to call it, with F9 isn't really going to change the quality of life you enjoy today. Why try to make it hard on someone else for your gain?

There is some middle ground to be gained here. If SWA doesn't want to taint their holy "culture," then I am sure Mr. Kelly, SWAPA and FAPA can come up with some sort of resolution that is fair to all parties involved. I realize Kelly isn't the one wanting to staple the F9 pilots, it is the SWAPA pilots; however if SWA wants to maintain their financial success, and have labor peace, you cannot staple F9 pilots. Like I was saying, there is some common ground.

It's so easy to see why we have this huge health care debate going on right now. There are so many people here that feel they are entitled to something. I guess with the economy heading downhill everone is just grabbing on to whatever they can get. It is human nature, but if you TRULY, in your heart, think that you should be ahead of a F9 pilot who has been there for 10-12 years, then you are unconvinceable. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and you guys find the common ground.

Good luck

With your picture you have no crdibility. Otherwise you make a little sense. I would think about changing it if you want more respect.

 

[Whine Lover]

And what's YOUR "picture"?

A strobe effect shot of a sperm flying through the dark?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyway, an avatar is JUST an avatar, and nobody makes sense here as a general Rule of Thumb. ( I think it might also be part of the T.O.S. )

Welcome aboard.

YKM

 

[NOZ]

At least 20% WILL be furloughed, as SWA is only taking 40 out of 51 airframes.

There is a way to integrate AND offer furlough protection. You furlough out of seniority order (ie only F9 pilots get furloughed).

[FONT=ARIAL,]From the Dallas Morning News: "Frontier’s pilot union rejected the offer from SWAPA that included job protections for ALL Frontier pilots, pay increases of up to 40 percent when Frontier pilots transitioned over to Southwest’s seniority list and other considerations."
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[GuppyWN]

Guppy,

You sound exactly like the entitlement crowd at Delta when we were going through our merger. Let me guess, you are at the bottom of the seniority list at WN and are looking for a windfall at someone else's expense.

Why not just be happy with what you have? Acquiring, merging, or whatever you want to call it, with F9 isn't really going to change the quality of life you enjoy today. Why try to make it hard on someone else for your gain?

There is some middle ground to be gained here. If SWA doesn't want to taint their holy "culture," then I am sure Mr. Kelly, SWAPA and FAPA can come up with some sort of resolution that is fair to all parties involved. I realize Kelly isn't the one wanting to staple the F9 pilots, it is the SWAPA pilots; however if SWA wants to maintain their financial success, and have labor peace, you cannot staple F9 pilots. Like I was saying, there is some common ground.

It's so easy to see why we have this huge health care debate going on right now. There are so many people here that feel they are entitled to something. I guess with the economy heading downhill everone is just grabbing on to whatever they can get. It is human nature, but if you TRULY, in your heart, think that you should be ahead of a F9 pilot who has been there for 10-12 years, then you are unconvinceable. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail and you guys find the common ground.

Good luck

Bro, I'm a Captain at Southwest and have been for a couple of years. I am senior, by DOH, to about 60-70% of the F9 pilots.

Integration will not hurt me and it might even help me but I am not willing to sacrifice ONE SINGLE Southwest pilot in the process. The current SWA pilots, applied, interviewed, got hired and earned their seniority. The FAPA pilots will inherit theirs.

I'm not being closed minded about this. I'm just trying to protect my brothers that are already on property.

Gup

 

[dlzav8tr]

The main probleme with a staple in F9's pilots view is that WN only wants 40 aircraft. This is almost certain to result in furloughs.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

Even if there were furloughs, they need to look past that and see the big picture. What would you rather come back to?

 

[Cometman]

The main probleme with a staple in F9's pilots view is that WN only wants 40 aircraft. This is almost certain to result in furloughs.

I am sure that if that was FAPA's main problem with the deal that SWAPA would have gotten them a no furlough clause except for the 50 on the street now. A little adjustment with the other benefits could absorb that cost. SWA said they were going to continue the same flying F9 was doing plus start new service that neither carrier does now.