Less experience showing through at Skywest and others...

[JohnnyP]

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Ok I'll admit it... It was me. There I was on final in my CRJ 200! Microburst Alert + or - 60 knots on short final.

I look to my right. This kid must have been about 21 years old with 500 total. Panic in his eyes. "should we go around?" I look this Riddle puke right in the eyes and tell him "on time arrivals are job one here at SKYW! You want a bonus or do you want to go around?"

I turn up the volume on my IPOD so I can here it over the GPWS... I left my backpack in an overhead! Looks like I won't be able to video tape this approach and post it on youtube.

Persperation is forming on my mirrored sunglasses and my frosted, spiked hair is suddenly starting to show wear... Then the turbulence starts and... out of nowhere a voice comes over my IPOD "SKYW 342 do you want to go around".

FEDS! How will I show Southwest I can handle the 737 if I can't even land the RJ in these conditions. What will continental think if I don't at least try to force a landing. Reluctantly I shove the power forward. Riddle puke to my right has soiled himself so I tell him to go in back and clean up so I can sulk alone.

2400 total with 900 PIC turbine and still no stories about how I handled an emergency.

Good stuff!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Well said!

Can't have your cake and eat it too. Jack the mins up today; complain about being extended tomorrow.

Honestly, do you expect ALPA to urge companies to increase hourly mins and experience if it risks ALPA not getting more union dues? ALPA is interested in the preservation of ALPA. Maybe companies will realize that 35 and 50 seat jets are less effective than 70 and 90 seaters in more ways than just fuel costs.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

See below

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

And who do you work for? Lets debate poor decisions made at your $hity regional. Come on Mesa, Pinnacle, Masaba etc... i can recall some pretty stupid decisions that didn't end as well as this one did. Again who do you work for?

It's "Mesaba"...and when have they made a decision that mashed up a batch or got them on TV with an accident where folks were killed? I'm asking 'cause I don't know of any....

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

It was a normal day in Denver... THE DAY ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE!!!

YES! I love the "albino" dude that says, "So then I said...let's get the HECK outta here!"...I wonder if he was disciplined for using profanity on the flight deck....a close second is the Air New Zealand with the false LOC capture...."GEW REHUND, GEW REHUND!"....priceless.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Can't have your cake and eat it too. Jack the mins up today; complain about being extended tomorrow.

Honestly, do you expect ALPA to urge companies to increase hourly mins and experience if it risks ALPA not getting more union dues? ALPA is interested in the preservation of ALPA. Maybe companies will realize that 35 and 50 seat jets are less effective than 70 and 90 seaters in more ways than just fuel costs.

My, my, touchy today aren't we? Guess I'm going to have to feed you some more beers this weekend and calm you down.

Yes, to answer your question, I do encourage ALPA to do that. It's been said many times, where would doctor or lawyer salaries be without the AMA and ABA limiting entry to the profession. ALPA could get involved with the puppy mills to control entry and curriculum as the professional associations do with law school and medical school. Then they could lobby the FAA to institute a system of controlling entry to the profession such as passing the bar exam.

It wouldn't be that difficult, it would just involve ALPA diverting its resources away from the BS they currently waste their money on.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

I assure you in my flying at the majors i see far fewer mistakes especially where it is related to experience. ... The detailed briefings and carefull thought processes I see in action are much higher than what is being taught and many time used at the regional level. It makes me realize how poor my own communication was as a regional captain...

Okay, you "flew" at a regional (past tense)...you realize how poor your communication "was" (past tense again) as a regional captain...so we're to assume that now you've climbed to the top of the airline heap (MAJOR air carrier) and now you can look down rom on high at the regionals and say, "Boy, I remember when I was there...how inexperienced and green I was! I thank the aviation gods that I'm not like those poor lepers!)...I notice that you have 7500 hours TT...that's pretty low for the MAJOR airlines...so I guess you're just a pup...maybe bigger than some, but a pup nonetheless...maybe when you have another 10,000 tacked onto that, you'll look back and realize how "little" you know now! If a crew f##ks up, none of the dead and very few of the injured are gonna care what their TT was or what kind of airplane it happened on...so stop flattering yourself because you "made it" to the MAJOR airlines and shouldn't you be on the MAJOR airline part of the forum and not posting here with the minor leagues?

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Ok I'll admit it... It was me. There I was on final in my CRJ 200! Microburst Alert + or - 60 knots on short final.

I look to my right. This kid must have been about 21 years old with 500 total. Panic in his eyes. "should we go around?" I look this Riddle puke right in the eyes and tell him "on time arrivals are job one here at SKYW! You want a bonus or do you want to go around?"

I turn up the volume on my IPOD so I can here it over the GPWS... I left my backpack in an overhead! Looks like I won't be able to video tape this approach and post it on youtube.

Persperation is forming on my mirrored sunglasses and my frosted, spiked hair is suddenly starting to show wear... Then the turbulence starts and... out of nowhere a voice comes over my IPOD "SKYW 342 do you want to go around".

FEDS! How will I show Southwest I can handle the 737 if I can't even land the RJ in these conditions. What will continental think if I don't at least try to force a landing. Reluctantly I shove the power forward. Riddle puke to my right has soiled himself so I tell him to go in back and clean up so I can sulk alone.

2400 total with 900 PIC turbine and still no stories about how I handled an emergency.

HA! THAT WAS AWWWESOME! It's about time we have some humor here! (And funny 'cause it's true!)

 

[Sedona16]

Okay, you "flew" at a regional (past tense)...you realize how poor your communication "was" (past tense again) as a regional captain...so we're to assume that now you've climbed to the top of the airline heap (MAJOR air carrier) and now you can look down rom on high at the regionals and say, "Boy, I remember when I was there...how inexperienced and green I was! I thank the aviation gods that I'm not like those poor lepers!)...I notice that you have 7500 hours TT...that's pretty low for the MAJOR airlines...so I guess you're just a pup...maybe bigger than some, but a pup nonetheless...maybe when you have another 10,000 tacked onto that, you'll look back and realize how "little" you know now! If a crew f##ks up, none of the dead and very few of the injured are gonna care what their TT was or what kind of airplane it happened on...so stop flattering yourself because you "made it" to the MAJOR airlines and shouldn't you be on the MAJOR airline part of the forum and not posting here with the minor leagues?

I would say you entirely missed the point. Instead you turned this into a post about ego of which it was never intended. Re-read the original post. This is about low time/inexperience pilots who struggle under nonstandard conditions. Nothing more.

PS- I edited my profile flight time for your benefit.

 

[say again]

Why are some of you getting so defensive over this??? Learn from it, whatever airline you work for. Things happen at ALL airlines, and Skywest just happened to be in this example.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You take issue with "Skywest bashing flamebait" but overlook the fact that you do much the same thing when you use virtually every thread as a forum for your anti-ALPA views.

Shamrock..... I am nottrying to "flamebait" when I say and truly believe that ALPA has been a total failure in this and other areas.... Skywest isn't the problem....

Experience in this industry is both a safety issue and a collective bargaining issue...... and the silence from Herndon on this issue is deafening......

The purpose of my posts is to get people to think about ALPA and start holding ALPA accountable for it's actions and inactions...... Not to flame.....

 

[Noise]

Guess I've been lucky. I've heard windshear alerts a few hundred times in 19 years, but I've never heard of a micro burst alert!! Was there a thunderstorm in the middle of the airport or something? I've seen the windshear equipment in the tower, but unless they have got some new equipment in the last 1 or 2 years (which is possible)they had no way to tell of a micro burst alert when I was visiting there, just windshear alerts. ( ATL tower).

I have been on an approach into ATL in the past, had a micro-burst alert come over tower freq., followed by our approach/landing clearance canceled and go-around instructions being automatically issued. I don't think that this is standard across the board, but IMHO it should be.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

This is about low time/inexperience pilots who struggle under nonstandard conditions. Nothing more.

PS- I edited my profile flight time for your benefit.

I re-read the post...funny thing about the printed word...it's cold and impersonal, no inflection, no tone, no body language...if I read it "wrong" you have my apology, as far as your flight time, I stand by my statement...10.4 isn't "low time" but it isn't "high time" either...it is what it is (and by the by, not really an indicator of skill in and of itself...we all know how that goes)...I suppose when I replied to your post I was recalling some of the power tools that left my regional, were at a major for a month and showed up in our crew room going on about how "those regional guys" are really a botheration to us major airline pilots, or whatever...again, if you meant no disrespect we have no problem and you have my apology.

 

[No.W.]

What's funny, this exact thing happened to me last year in SLC. About 3 SkyWest and 1 ASA bird took off with an active MB alert at the departure end of 34R. The captain and I were blown away. We were number 2 in line when the fourth airplane took off and someone said, "I don't know about anyone else, but this is one airplane that won't be departing into a Microburst." After that, no one departed until the MB alert was over. It was kind of funny, if it wasn't so dangerous. BTW, I WORK at SkyWest, so I'm not hatin', just relating a story of what appeared to be VERY poor judgment, AND an example of "the herd mentality".

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What's funny, this exact thing happened to me last year in SLC. About 3 SkyWest and 1 ASA bird took off with an active MB alert at the departure end of 34R. The captain and I were blown away. We were number 2 in line when the fourth airplane took off and someone said, "I don't know about anyone else, but this is one airplane that won't be departing into a Microburst." After that, no one departed until the MB alert was over. It was kind of funny, if it wasn't so dangerous. BTW, I WORK at SkyWest, so I'm not hatin', just relating a story of what appeared to be VERY poor judgment, AND an example of "the herd mentality".

Sometimes all we need is one guy to say no, and the rest of us will gladly wait it out as well.

I'm glad to admit to being a whimpy pilot when it comes to weather and such. As much as I want to complete a flight ontime, in the end, I'm more concerned about making it home to see my wife and kids at the end of the day.

More and more we are upgrading low time pilots to Captain and pairing them with newhires who should still be flying traffic patters in a single. Instead we are putting them in high performance turbine aircraft with 50+ strangers who entrust their lives to us.